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Author | Topic: Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..." | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
vimesey Member Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
Nope - not an expert, but an intelligent man who trusts the theories and the mountains of evidence of a huge number of highly intelligent scientists, rather than the religiously driven drivel of a single voice, gnashing his teeth in the wilderness.
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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(Kishoni, Lenski, Desai, oh my!) I have just shamelessly stolen this for my own use. Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:You're the one not posting your imaginary links. ringo:My redundancy is about real, measureable, and repeatable examples of biological evolution. And you don't know anything about biological evolution. Message 2230 Kleinman:The Kishony and Lenski bacteria are going someplace but it takes a billion replications for each adaptive step. Message 2231 Kleinman:Just think how much Weight Watchers have reduce entropy. Message 2232 Kleinman:Now that you are an expert in the thermodynamics of evolution, could you explain to us the evolution of drug resistance and why cancer treatments fail. What should we Google?
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:Wrong again, ye of little understanding. But since you have become an expert on the second law of thermodynamics, could you explain to us why drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail? While you are at it, give us a mathematical explanation for the Kishony and Lenski experiments. If you have trouble with that, AZPaul3 and vimesey can explain it to you, they are super duper experts on the second law of thermodynamics.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
vimesey:Of course, you are not an expert and neither is the guy that wrote that paper on the second law of thermodynamics. Otherwise, he could explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. In addition, he could do the mathematics of the Kishony and Lenski experiments. He doesn't know anything about the physics and mathematics of biological evolution.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
I'm not posting a link to Google, either. You should be able to find it yourself.
You're the one not posting your imaginary links. Kleinman writes:
Your redundant Kishony, Lenski, Desai, oh my! is about people who don't agree with you. Nobody but you has questioned my A → B and A → C are NOT the same as B → C
My redundancy is about real, measureable, and repeatable examples of biological evolution. Kleinman writes:
I know that A → B and A → C are NOT the same as B → C
And you don't know anything about biological evolution. Kleinman writes:
As I have said, you're not ready for that yet. It's way over your head. Demonstrate that you understand that A → B and A → C are NOT the same as B → C and then we can go on to Page Two of the kindergarten evolution textbook.
Now that you are an expert in the thermodynamics of evolution, could you explain to us the evolution of drug resistance and why cancer treatments fail. Kleinman writes:
You could start by googling "evolution for children". What should we Google?Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
ringo:Too bad you don't know how any of those experiments work even though you are an expert in the second law of thermodynamics. I hope you like it dry, real dry.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:That's silly. How do you find a paper written by a biologist that explains how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail? That's only in your imagination, otherwise you would have posted those links long ago.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
I googled "how drug resistance evolves" (15,800,000 hits) and "why cancer treatments fail" (108,000,000 hits). How do you find a paper written by a biologist that explains how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail?Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5930 Joined: Member Rating: 5.8
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Yet again your only response is to spew yet more troll garbage. Did creationism break your brain? Or was it already broken so you were drawn like a fly to creationism? Nor are we in the least bit surprised that you are terrified of answering ringo's simple question:
ringo writes: Do you understand yet that A → B and A → C are NOT the same as B → C ? Creationism demands of you that you believe the B → C is the same, since that is creationist dogma, and hence you must reply that they are the same lest you blaspheme against your silly creationist troll god (not to be confused with the Christian God). But the moment you do that, you expose the fact that you are utterly ignorant of evolution and hence your blatherings about the subject are all nothing but nonsense at best and outright lies at worse. We do not need to be experts in coprology to be able to recognize bullshit when we smell it.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:All you have to do is post one and you can't even do that because biologists are still trying to figure it out.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
dwise1:All I have to do is ask you to explain the evolution of drug resistance and why cancer treatments fail and ask you to do the mathematics of the Kishony and Lenski experiments. You fail and you can't hide it with smilies. You don't know how biological evolution works and your posts reveal that.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
AZPaul3 tries to cover up the fact that he has no idea how drug resistance evolves or why cancer treatments fail. And he certainly can't do the physics and mathematics of the Kishony and Lenski experiments no matter how many photos he posts. He is totally ignorant of the physics and mathematics of biological evolution and everyone knows it. And I hope he likes it dry, real dry.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Before we go any further, I want to know about your beliefs. No math is needed for this one except for perhaps 1x1x1.
Do you believe in a higher power? Are you aware of how Christians (myself included) sometimes conflate Gods omniscience with their own ideas and need to prop themselves up by visiting many forums, publishing a few papers, and feeling like legends in their own minds simply because nobody allows themselves to be set up to be knocked down by forcing themselves to agree with your theories? I know I do it. The day the peanut gallery agrees with me is the day I would question my own sanity. But I DO believe in God, known through Jesus Christ and alive today. My simple question is whether you believe in Him.The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Nor are Democrats the best party or the only one we should have. -Phat,2022 addressing The Peanut Gallery.
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