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Theodoric
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Message 16 of 302 (902663)
11-26-2022 11:23 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by ringo
11-26-2022 11:11 AM


Re: Phat's adoration of the wealthy continues
We should float boats on something better than water. Water is not stable.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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ringo
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Message 17 of 302 (902666)
11-26-2022 11:32 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Theodoric
11-26-2022 11:23 AM


Re: Phat's adoration of the wealthy continues
Theodoric writes:
We should float boats on something better than water. Water is not stable.
Water kills!

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Phat
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From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 18 of 302 (902675)
11-26-2022 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by ringo
11-26-2022 11:32 AM


People In Glass Houses...
Build your house upon the Rock. The sand shifts too much.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Nor are Democrats the best party or the only one we should have. -Phat,2022 addressing The Peanut Gallery.

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Phat
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Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 19 of 302 (902676)
11-26-2022 3:02 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Tanypteryx
11-25-2022 6:37 PM


Phat Chance he knows anything!
Tanypteryx writes:
Plus inflation is a global rather than a national economic condition right now, caused by interrupted production and distribution of products globally because of a global pandemic. Phat is completely clueless about pretty much everything that he thinks he's an expert in like the economy, finance, government, politics, history, and civilization
None of us are experts in these areas, but all of us can read.
Methinks that you question my intelligence, which is fair game, I suppose. I never finished college but I do read a lot of stuff from many different sources. I can honestly say that no, I am not an expert in any of those disciplines. The difference between you and me is that I do not trust human motive and nature from either political or ideological side. None are righteous. You, on the other hand, only vilify Republicans. And I don't trust the motives, intentions, and actions of the Federal Reserve or the current administration, though Trump was no better. ​

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Nor are Democrats the best party or the only one we should have. -Phat,2022 addressing The Peanut Gallery.

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Phat
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From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 20 of 302 (902679)
11-26-2022 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Theodoric
11-25-2022 4:21 PM


Re: Phat's adoration of the wealthy continues
I did some basic reading on Robert Reich. He is pro-union and mentions the need for strong unions. I like him already!
Robert Reich Issues a Warning in 'Supercapitalism' That's from an NPR book review.
Robert Reich:
"If we think that we can just treat companies as moral beings and yell at them ... for not being more socially responsible ... we are diverting our attention from the hard work of democracy — of making laws and rules that reflect our real values."
The key is cooperation or consensus between the two political parties. It is impossible to simply get rid of one of them.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Nor are Democrats the best party or the only one we should have. -Phat,2022 addressing The Peanut Gallery.

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Theodoric
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From: Northwest, WI, USA
Joined: 08-15-2005
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Message 21 of 302 (902686)
11-26-2022 5:34 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Phat
11-26-2022 3:02 PM


Re: Phat Chance he knows anything!
You may read a lot but you seemingly understand little

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 22 of 302 (902687)
11-26-2022 5:36 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Phat
11-26-2022 3:18 PM


Re: Phat's adoration of the wealthy continues
Reich is a leftist, progressive and liberal as are all pro-unionist. You are just pro your union. Fuck everyone else. You got yours.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Tangle
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Message 23 of 302 (902688)
11-26-2022 6:18 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Phat
11-26-2022 3:02 PM


Re: Phat Chance he knows anything!
Phat writes:
I never finished college but I do read a lot of stuff from many different sources. I can honestly say that no, I am not an expert in any of those disciplines.
And yet you achieve certainty so easily!
Phat, you're an uneducated supermarket supervisor; for god's sake, please don't bet your meagre earnings on stuff you don't understand.
And btw, god will not provide.
How are your bitcoins doing?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Theodoric
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Posts: 9283
From: Northwest, WI, USA
Joined: 08-15-2005
Member Rating: 2.1


Message 24 of 302 (902693)
11-26-2022 6:53 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Tangle
11-26-2022 6:18 PM


Re: Phat Chance he knows anything!
I want to know about his gold. Did he buy actual gold or gold funds? If actual gold does he have it or is he paying to have it stored?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Phat
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From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 25 of 302 (902706)
11-27-2022 1:05 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by Tangle
11-26-2022 6:18 PM


Re: Phat Chance he knows anything!
I never had any bitcoins. Do I get to ask you guys some nosey questions?

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Nor are Democrats the best party or the only one we should have. -Phat,2022 addressing The Peanut Gallery.

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Phat
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Posts: 18389
From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 26 of 302 (902707)
11-27-2022 1:10 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by Theodoric
11-26-2022 5:36 PM


Re: Phat's adoration of the wealthy continues
I don't know where you ever got the idea that I don't care about anyone else, just because I do not believe in a collective. Private property is a right that I as an American enjoy. That does not mean that I envy you for yours.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Nor are Democrats the best party or the only one we should have. -Phat,2022 addressing The Peanut Gallery.

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Theodoric
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From: Northwest, WI, USA
Joined: 08-15-2005
Member Rating: 2.1


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Message 27 of 302 (902726)
11-27-2022 10:43 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by Phat
11-27-2022 1:10 AM


Re: Phat's adoration of the wealthy continues
I don't know where you ever got the idea that I don't care about anyone else,
Are you that so unself-aware or are you lying now? You have multitudes of posts attacking the poor. All you care about is protecting your tiny little slice. Fuck those lower on the ladder.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Phat
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Posts: 18389
From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 28 of 302 (902735)
11-27-2022 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by Theodoric
11-27-2022 10:43 AM


Re: Phat's adoration of the wealthy continues
That's your assumption and conclusion. The argument, primarily directed at ringo, is that a government has no right to utilize everyone's money in any emergency except what they legally collect in taxes. Taxes can never be confiscatory, even if the planet was starving. I am not saying fuck off to everyone on the planet. I am simply defending the right to private property and the ideal that nobody should be required to become a victim of a digital currency system that, in a crisis, could institute a bail-in to save a population or a bank.
Im not sure what Galbraith or Friedman would say, but Robert Reich may likely disagree with me....I dunno.
The peanut gallery might bring up the point that nothing like this has ever been proposed, but my point is that the system is now being set up so that in a crisis, such an action could be taken, given an authoritarian administration (of either political side)

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Nor are Democrats the best party or the only one we should have. -Phat,2022 addressing The Peanut Gallery.

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Theodoric
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From: Northwest, WI, USA
Joined: 08-15-2005
Member Rating: 2.1


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Message 29 of 302 (902739)
11-27-2022 11:28 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by Phat
11-27-2022 11:09 AM


Re: Phat's adoration of the wealthy continues
That's your assumption and conclusion.
No, I have watched your posts for years you regularly attack the poor and praise the rich. Fact, not an assumption.
The argument, primarily directed at ringo, is that a government has no right to utilize everyone's money in any emergency except what they legally collect in taxes.
This argument truly has always astounded me. Tell me how they are going to get more of your money. The government is funded by taxes. How else should they be funded?
and the ideal that nobody should be required to become a victim of a digital currency system that, in a crisis, could institute a bail-in to save a population or a bank.
What digital currency? Do you think we should all walk around with slivers of silver and gold? Do you understand what a bail-in is? Why should investors' money always be protected?
but my point is that the system is now being set up so that in a crisis
Again you assert with no evidence. Provide evidence about this "system".

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 30 of 302 (902766)
11-27-2022 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Phat
11-26-2022 2:42 PM


Re: People In Glass Houses...
Phat writes:
Build your house upon the Rock.
Would that be a dusty old rock?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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