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Author Topic:   The Changing World Order
ringo
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Message 3 of 302 (902560)
11-25-2022 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Phat
11-25-2022 12:30 AM


... legendary investor Ray Dalio,
Wikipedia fails to mention that he is legendary.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 13 of 302 (902660)
11-26-2022 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Phat
11-25-2022 3:12 PM


Re: A Legend In His Own Mind
Phat writes:
... the facts show that you are just another member of the peanut gallery.
On the contrary, I'm a highly visible and highly vocal member of the peanut gallery. I could damn near have my own gallery.
Phat writes:
And I could be an honest and good Christian according to my own ego and my Pastor...
But we can only assess you by what you post - and that's getting pretty ugly.
As I said before, you don't need yet another topic to post the same-old same-old garbage in. Go back and answer the rebuttals in all of the other topics.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 14 of 302 (902661)
11-26-2022 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Phat
11-26-2022 2:54 AM


Re: Phat's adoration of the wealthy continues
Phat writes:
What backs the Dollar, apart from the faith of the people?
That's like asking what floats a boat apart from the water.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 17 of 302 (902666)
11-26-2022 11:32 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Theodoric
11-26-2022 11:23 AM


Re: Phat's adoration of the wealthy continues
Theodoric writes:
We should float boats on something better than water. Water is not stable.
Water kills!

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 30 of 302 (902766)
11-27-2022 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Phat
11-26-2022 2:42 PM


Re: People In Glass Houses...
Phat writes:
Build your house upon the Rock.
Would that be a dusty old rock?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 31 of 302 (902768)
11-27-2022 1:54 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Phat
11-26-2022 3:02 PM


Re: Phat Chance he knows anything!
Phat writes:
You, on the other hand, only vilify Republicans.
I'll refer you again to John Stuart Mill:
quote:
"I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative."
Vilifying stupid people coincidentally vilifies Republicans.
And vilifying evil people coincidentally vilifies Republicans.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 32 of 302 (902770)
11-27-2022 2:02 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Phat
11-27-2022 11:09 AM


Re: Phat's adoration of the wealthy continues
Phat writes:
The argument, primarily directed at ringo, is that a government has no right to utilize everyone's money in any emergency except what they legally collect in taxes.
And as I have told you many, many, many times, that is all I ever advocate.
Phat writes:
Taxes can never be confiscatory, even if the planet was starving.
Taxes are always confiscatory. You guys put people in prison for tax evasion.
Phat writes:
I am not saying fuck off to everyone on the planet.
You have said repeatedly that you don't want to be equal with the poor.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 74 of 302 (903119)
12-04-2022 2:37 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Phat
11-27-2022 3:34 PM


Re: Phat's adoration of the wealthy continues
Phat writes:
Now I suppose you will bring up the philosophy of how a rising tide lifts all boats.
It does. Are you going to try to argue that it doesn't?
Phat writes:
Let's say that people in the US were actually starving.
No need to pretend. They are.
Phat writes:
Let's say the government (of, by and for the people, right?) mandated 60% taxes across the board. My point is that you would consider it a fair game (and legal if your 3 peeps were in power)
It would be fair. I don't know what you mean about "my" 3 peeps.
Phat writes:
You will now say how dare I prefer to have a private property while my neighbors starve.
I have said that to you. How DARE you?
Phat writes:
Feeding them is up to me...not to a kum ba yah government.
But you're not doing it. You're the priest and the Levite who avoided helping the man that the Good Samaritan eventually helped. Do you understand that the Samaritan is the good guy in that story?
Phat writes:
You once thought satan had a bum rap!
Read the Book of Job. Satan is God's minion.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 75 of 302 (903121)
12-04-2022 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Phat
11-27-2022 8:49 PM


Re: capital gains
Phat writes:
Bidens push for digital currency...
We already have digital currency. Where have you been for the past forty years?
Phat writes:
...may mean that even small transactions can be tracked.
I have told you before, when my brother died, we had access to his bank statements. Every cup of coffee he bought at Tim Hortons was on there.
And why not? It would be dishonest for you to hide your financial transactions. That's how they got Al Capone.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 76 of 302 (903122)
12-04-2022 2:46 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Phat
11-28-2022 11:16 AM


Re: Back On Topic?
Phat writes:
Why don't you define what cheating is?
The "offshore system" that you touted recently is cheating.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 77 of 302 (903123)
12-04-2022 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Phat
11-28-2022 11:24 AM


Re: Back On Topic...Sort Of...
Phat writes:
It's fair game to discuss digital currency in this thread. Lets talk about that.
I've been trying to. Why don't you respond?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 83 of 302 (903161)
12-05-2022 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by Phat
12-05-2022 9:59 AM


Re: Back On Topic...Sort Of...
Phat writes:
He either is or is not an "asshole" not based on his party affiliation or his wealth but on his observable performance.
What exactly are you observing that gives you such definitive information on his assholery?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 97 of 302 (903207)
12-06-2022 11:07 AM
Reply to: Message 87 by Phat
12-05-2022 6:27 PM


Re: DIGITAL CURRENCY
Phat writes:
But what if your brother had cashed out his paycheck, government check or whatever and paid cash for all of his coffee and items which he purchased? You would be none the wiser.
Sure, everybody did that a hundred years ago. But the point is that today, most of your transactions are already being tracked. You don't need to worry about that horrible Joe Biden doing what was already done forty years ago.
Phat writes:
If every single transaction ever made could be tracked...
IS being tracked - unless you're hiding it in your "overseas system".
Phat writes:
If every single transaction ever made could be tracked, you would be hounded by regulations beyond what is necessary.
You don't get to decide what's "necessary".
Phat writes:
As an example, say I wanted to trade my car for a better one and my neighbor agreed to swap cars if I gave him cash. Under the old system, the exchange would be private.
And most likely illegal. In Saskatchewan, you have to register your car and its value will be assessed for insurance purposes, regardless of what you paid for it or how you got it.
Phat writes:
Under the new system, everything one does would be tracked and recorded.
Is already, and has been for years. Why is it that nobody on YouTube knows that?
Al Capone was convicted of tax evasion (in 1931 for God's sake) because he was spending more than he was reporting as income. There were records.
Phat writes:
Am I not free to buy a car from a private seller and not have the value exchange tracked so obsessively?
Of course not. Surely even Wild-West Colorado must require you to insure your car. Your insurance is based on your car's value - and any goober can take one glance at your car and look up the blue book value.
Phat writes:
While I agree that wealthy individuals should be watched closer for tax evasion than a hundred dollar winner at a casino....
Stop saying you agree with things I never said. I do NOT agree with that.
Phat writes:
... under the new system EVERYONE is held accountable.
And should be. See Al Capone.
Phat writes:
Conservatives rightly detest big government...
No they don't. They want to BE big government.
Phat writes:
... and obsessive control over everyone's private lives.
Conservatives want to control every woman's body. Conservatives want to control what chemicals you ingest. Shall I go on?
Phat writes:
This gets back to the differing ideologies of freedom and equality.
You want the unequally rich to be allowed to hide their money offshore. Their refusal to pay their share of taxes impinges on YOUR freedom.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 98 of 302 (903208)
12-06-2022 11:10 AM
Reply to: Message 88 by Phat
12-05-2022 6:37 PM


Re: Phat Hedges His Bets
Phat writes:
Am I missing something?
You're missing the part where you explain in your own words what you understand about what you quoted.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 99 of 302 (903209)
12-06-2022 11:14 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by Phat
12-05-2022 9:07 PM


Re: DIGITAL CURRENCY
Phat writes:
I don't cheat nor do I advocate cheating.
So do you repudiate the "overseas system"?
Phat writes:
The US is going into another level of debt relative to GDP.
How is you paying less taxes going to fix that?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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