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Author Topic:   Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."
ringo
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Message 2117 of 2926 (902516)
11-24-2022 1:29 PM
Reply to: Message 2113 by Kleinman
11-24-2022 12:46 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Kleinman writes:
Since you know so much about biological evolution, could you explain the evolution of drug resistance and why cancer treatments fail?
That has been explained and you clearly did not understand. It's well beyond your level, which is why I offered to answer kindergarten-level questions for you.
First of all, do you understand the difference between "B and C evolved from A" and "C evolved from B"?
Kleinman writes:
You should argue the mathematics when it is done like Taq does it.
You shouldn't try to hide a lie with smoke and mirrors. I demonstrated that Lenski did NOT acknowlege you.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 2119 of 2926 (902545)
11-25-2022 10:39 AM
Reply to: Message 2114 by Kleinman
11-24-2022 12:49 PM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Kleinman writes:
And you know much better than the experts in probability theory that this math is wrong.
The consensus seems to be that YOUR math is wrong - and that's because your biology is wrong. Nobody has a problem with the REAL math.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Message 2121 of 2926 (902547)
11-25-2022 10:43 AM
Reply to: Message 2115 by Kleinman
11-24-2022 12:51 PM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Kleinman writes:
He hasn't acknowledged it yet.
So we're clear on that.
Kleinman writes:
That's why more people are reading these papers all the time.
And more people are reading The Lord of the Rings all the time. Doesn't make it more true.
Kleinman writes:
They must read it because they don't believe it.
There doesn't seem to be anybody who believes it after they read it.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 2122 of 2926 (902548)
11-25-2022 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 2116 by Kleinman
11-24-2022 12:52 PM


Re: Resorting to spamming us
Kleinman writes:
Whoever taught you thermodynamics blew it.
I don't think I've said anything to you about thermodynamics, so why would you say that?
However, I am happy to give you a kindergarten-level lesson in thermodynamics. Go ahead and ask questions.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 2123 of 2926 (902550)
11-25-2022 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 2118 by Kleinman
11-25-2022 8:20 AM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Kleinman writes:
And your explanation of "B and C evolved from A" and "C evolved from B" shows your degree of mathematical understanding of biological evolution.
Well, I'm glad you noticed that I expressed it mathematically. But do you understand it?
Kleinman writes:
Now I know why "D and U evolved from M and B". So, please go on.
You're getting ahead of yourself. Stick with A, B and C for now:
B represents reptiles
C represents birds
A represents a common ancestor
So B evolved from A
and C evolved from A
But you have been saying that C evolved from B. That is a serious misunderstanding of biology. (AND a serious misunderstanding of mathemqtics.)
Do you understand yet that you are wrong about B evolving into C?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 2125 of 2926 (902552)
11-25-2022 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 2120 by Theodoric
11-25-2022 10:42 AM


Re: Kleinman still does not know asexual vs sexual
Theodoric writes:
He must be a real hit with the ladies.
He keeps waiting for them to bud.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2133 of 2926 (902569)
11-25-2022 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 2126 by Kleinman
11-25-2022 12:04 PM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Kleinman writes:
All you have to do is post a link that shows how antimicrobial resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.
That has nothing to do with what I said.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2134 of 2926 (902570)
11-25-2022 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 2128 by Kleinman
11-25-2022 12:07 PM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Kleinman writes:
... you can be wrong about whatever you want.
I prefer to stick with the people who know what they're talking about.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2135 of 2926 (902571)
11-25-2022 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 2129 by Kleinman
11-25-2022 12:08 PM


Re: Resorting to spamming us
Kleinman writes:
So, you never studied thermodynamics?
I had the same professor for two classes. He told us that the first time he did thermodynamics, as an undergraduate, he didn't understand it. The second time he did it, as a grad student, he thought he understood it. But when he had to teach it, he realized he didn't understand it as well as he thought.
I only offered you a KINDERGARTEN-level thermodynamics lesson because I don't pretend to be an expert thermodynamicist - and I don't expect you to understand anything but the kindergarten level.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2136 of 2926 (902572)
11-25-2022 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 2130 by Kleinman
11-25-2022 12:10 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Kleinman writes:
You have shown you know the ABCs of biological evolution.
And you are still showing that you don't.
You have been saying that C evolved from B. That is a serious misunderstanding of biology AND a serious misunderstanding of mathemqtics.

Do you understand yet that you are wrong about B evolving into C?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 2137 of 2926 (902574)
11-25-2022 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 2132 by Kleinman
11-25-2022 12:12 PM


Re: Kleinman still does not know asexual vs sexual
Kleinman writes:
So thermodynamics isn't the only subject you have mastered.
I know there's a difference between sexual and asexual reproduction, which you can't seem to grasp. And I know that you can't discuss DNA without understanding that asexual reproduction involves one parent while sexual reproduction involves the combination of two parents. You don't seem to grasp that either.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2169 of 2926 (902654)
11-26-2022 10:39 AM
Reply to: Message 2141 by Kleinman
11-25-2022 1:13 PM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Kleinman writes:
You keep claiming that biologists have explained how antimicrobial drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. They have not explained it.
And that has nothing to do with what I said in the post you replied to. I said:
quote:
The consensus seems to be that YOUR math is wrong - and that's because your biology is wrong. Nobody has a problem with the REAL math.
Nothing about antimicrobial drug resistance.
If you're going to be evasive, at least don't be so transparently dishonest about it.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2170 of 2926 (902655)
11-26-2022 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 2142 by Kleinman
11-25-2022 1:14 PM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Kleinman writes:
o, post a link written by a biologist that explains how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.
I googled it. There doesn't seem to be any shortage of explanations.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2171 of 2926 (902656)
11-26-2022 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 2143 by Kleinman
11-25-2022 1:16 PM


Re: Resorting to spamming us
Kleinman writes:
You had an impressive instructor.
He even lent me a textbook for the more advanced class.
Kleinman writes:
The thermodynamics that applies to competition is pretty simple.
It remains to be seen if anything is simple enough for you to understand.
Do you understand yet that A → B and A → C are NOT the same as B → C ?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2172 of 2926 (902657)
11-26-2022 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 2144 by Kleinman
11-25-2022 1:17 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Kleunman writes:
Now show us how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatment fail.
You're not ready for that yet. First, do you understand yet that you are wrong about B evolving into C?
Kleinman writes:
Maybe you better go to the letter "E" for the Kishony experiment.
I was thinking of using A for ancestor, B for birds and R for reptiles, but you haven't demonstrated yet that you understand A, B and C.
Do you understand yet that you are wrong about B evolving into C?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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