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Kleinman Member (Idle past 363 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
ringo:Whoever taught you thermodynamics blew it. Happy Thanksgiving to you all.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Kleinman writes:
That has been explained and you clearly did not understand. It's well beyond your level, which is why I offered to answer kindergarten-level questions for you. Since you know so much about biological evolution, could you explain the evolution of drug resistance and why cancer treatments fail? First of all, do you understand the difference between "B and C evolved from A" and "C evolved from B"?
Kleinman writes:
You shouldn't try to hide a lie with smoke and mirrors. I demonstrated that Lenski did NOT acknowlege you. You should argue the mathematics when it is done like Taq does it.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 363 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:All zero of your explanations and all zero of your links to papers that explain the evolution of drug resistance and why cancer treatments fail are the most convincing. And your explanation of "B and C evolved from A" and "C evolved from B" shows your degree of mathematical understanding of biological evolution. Now I know why "D and U evolved from M and B". So, please go on. Kleinman:Taq hasn't done the mathematics of the Lenski experiment, he does the mathematics of imaginary populations with an imaginary selection condition and as many variants as he wants that increase in fitness without ever going to fixation (though he calls it fixation). And Lenski hasn't acknowledged my explanation of why biological competition slows adaptation based on the first law of thermodynamics but he has heard it. So, let him continue to not understand why biological competition slows adaptation or let him learn how the first law of thermodynamics affects his and all experiments of descent with modification in a limited carrying capacity environment (as well as all real examples of biological evolution). Of course, if he did understand how the first law of thermodynamics affects his experiment and understood how descent with modification works, he could mathematically model his own experiment, which he hasn't done.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
The consensus seems to be that YOUR math is wrong - and that's because your biology is wrong. Nobody has a problem with the REAL math. And you know much better than the experts in probability theory that this math is wrong.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Still waiting for any acknowledgment from him that there is a vast difference between asexual reproduction vs sexual. He must be a real hit with the ladies.
Also, he does not understand that a conversation requires two people. Shaking your fist at and barking at the moon is not a conversation. Lenski's quick and concise response to me shows that he regards Kleinman as an unstable potential personal threat. I have contacted academics about cranks in the past. Rarely do they respond with such vehemence.What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
So we're clear on that.
He hasn't acknowledged it yet. Kleinman writes:
And more people are reading The Lord of the Rings all the time. Doesn't make it more true.
That's why more people are reading these papers all the time. Kleinman writes:
There doesn't seem to be anybody who believes it after they read it. They must read it because they don't believe it.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
I don't think I've said anything to you about thermodynamics, so why would you say that? Whoever taught you thermodynamics blew it. However, I am happy to give you a kindergarten-level lesson in thermodynamics. Go ahead and ask questions.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Kleinman writes:
Well, I'm glad you noticed that I expressed it mathematically. But do you understand it?
And your explanation of "B and C evolved from A" and "C evolved from B" shows your degree of mathematical understanding of biological evolution. Kleinman writes:
You're getting ahead of yourself. Stick with A, B and C for now:
Now I know why "D and U evolved from M and B". So, please go on.B represents reptiles C represents birds A represents a common ancestor So B evolved from Aand C evolved from A But you have been saying that C evolved from B. That is a serious misunderstanding of biology. (AND a serious misunderstanding of mathemqtics.) Do you understand yet that you are wrong about B evolving into C?Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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You keep bringing up the 1st Law of Thermodynamics but have yet explained why you think its is relevant or an explanation of how it affects evolution.
Go for it,What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Theodoric writes:
He keeps waiting for them to bud. He must be a real hit with the ladies.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 363 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:All you have to do is post a link that shows how antimicrobial resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 363 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Theodoric:So, you are claiming that combination therapy doesn't work for HIV, weeds, and insects? Your speculations about sexual reproduction and asexual reproduction are countered by the facts. Lenski still hasn't posted the correct mathematical explanation of his own experiment and he still doesn't know why competition slows adaptation. These are public facts.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 363 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:He also doesn't know why competition slows adaptation in his own experiment and he hasn't given a correct mathematical explanation of his own experiment. So we're clear on that. Kleinman:Does the Lord of the Rings explain the evolution of drug resistance and why cancer treatments fail? Kleinman:You can believe what you want and you can be wrong about whatever you want.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 363 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:So, you never studied thermodynamics? That must make you an expert. Why don't you explain to us how you solve a three-dimensional partial differential heat transfer equation that is transient and has conduction, convection, and radiation heat transfer? Make it simple, you can assume the properties are uniform.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 363 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:You are a math wizard. You have shown you know the ABCs of biological evolution. Kleinman:I get it now, it is EIEIO, right, old MacDonald?
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