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Theodoric
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Message 2050 of 2932 (902419)
11-23-2022 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 2043 by Kleinman
11-23-2022 10:48 AM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Who did you submit this paper to for peer review?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 2060 of 2932 (902431)
11-23-2022 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 2056 by Kleinman
11-23-2022 11:19 AM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
So no one. Because if you had you would tell us.
Fraud. Crank.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 2120 of 2932 (902546)
11-25-2022 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 2117 by ringo
11-24-2022 1:29 PM


Kleinman still does not know asexual vs sexual
Still waiting for any acknowledgment from him that there is a vast difference between asexual reproduction vs sexual. He must be a real hit with the ladies.
Also, he does not understand that a conversation requires two people. Shaking your fist at and barking at the moon is not a conversation.
Lenski's quick and concise response to me shows that he regards Kleinman as an unstable potential personal threat. I have contacted academics about cranks in the past. Rarely do they respond with such vehemence.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 2124 of 2932 (902551)
11-25-2022 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 2118 by Kleinman
11-25-2022 8:20 AM


1st law of Theromdynamics
You keep bringing up the 1st Law of Thermodynamics but have yet explained why you think its is relevant or an explanation of how it affects evolution.
Go for it,

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 2138 of 2932 (902575)
11-25-2022 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 2127 by Kleinman
11-25-2022 12:06 PM


King of the strawman
So, you are claiming that combination therapy doesn't work for HIV, weeds, and insects? Your speculations about sexual reproduction and asexual reproduction are countered by the facts.
Please show where I have said anything remotely similar to this. I am addressing your dishonest posts. I will leave it up to those more capable than I am to address your lack of understanding of the math and science. I will concentrate on your logical fallacies, deceitful posts and your lies.
Just because you do not understand Lenski does not mean he has to alter the findings to meet the expectations of a known crank.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 2139 of 2932 (902576)
11-25-2022 12:50 PM
Reply to: Message 2130 by Kleinman
11-25-2022 12:10 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
I notice you did not answer. I think we can assume you do not know or have an answer for any question you do not answer.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 2140 of 2932 (902577)
11-25-2022 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 2131 by Kleinman
11-25-2022 12:11 PM


Re: 1st law of Theromdynamics
All you are doing is spouting. You need to provide evidence and show what each of these points actually affect real world situations. Asserting shows nothing.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 2149 of 2932 (902598)
11-25-2022 2:43 PM
Reply to: Message 2144 by Kleinman
11-25-2022 1:17 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Again not answering the question
Seems you are out of your field and expertise and just repeat the same mantra. Liar and a fraud.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 2150 of 2932 (902599)
11-25-2022 2:44 PM
Reply to: Message 2146 by Kleinman
11-25-2022 1:21 PM


Re: King of the strawman
More lies.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 2151 of 2932 (902600)
11-25-2022 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 2147 by Kleinman
11-25-2022 1:22 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Still evading not answering. Liar and a fraud.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 2158 of 2932 (902618)
11-25-2022 4:13 PM
Reply to: Message 2152 by Kleinman
11-25-2022 2:53 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
I have never claimed this is my field and in fact have stated so. I am concentrating on you evasive, dishonest answers and your non answers. You use numerous logical fallacies and lies. Until you stop those behaviors anything you say or claim is irrelevant.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 2162 of 2932 (902628)
11-25-2022 6:35 PM
Reply to: Message 2160 by Kleinman
11-25-2022 6:14 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
I know one expert in thermodynamics. He is a a Ph.D in.phydics and Nissan a Professor of Physics.
Do.you think you are an expert of Thermodynamics?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 2167 of 2932 (902641)
11-25-2022 10:49 PM
Reply to: Message 2164 by Kleinman
11-25-2022 6:48 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Again you don't answer. Must mean you do know the answer or you you may lie. Fraud, liar and troll.
I am sure he knows more about it than you.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 2178 of 2932 (902673)
11-26-2022 1:51 PM
Reply to: Message 2168 by Kleinman
11-26-2022 7:53 AM


Usable energy
Do you understand that in the real world this is irrelevant? Do you also understand that unless all actual and potential sources of energy are accounted for and measured in an experiment this is irrelevant?
Please explain what you understand to be usable energy to a population.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 2179 of 2932 (902674)
11-26-2022 1:54 PM
Reply to: Message 2175 by Kleinman
11-26-2022 11:47 AM


Kleinman continues to not engage productively
What if your birds and reptiles don't use the English alphabet?
Perfect example of your dishonesty as a debater.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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