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ringo Member (Idle past 413 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Kleinman writes:
That has been explained and you clearly did not understand. It's well beyond your level, which is why I offered to answer kindergarten-level questions for you. Since you know so much about biological evolution, could you explain the evolution of drug resistance and why cancer treatments fail? First of all, do you understand the difference between "B and C evolved from A" and "C evolved from B"?
Kleinman writes:
You shouldn't try to hide a lie with smoke and mirrors. I demonstrated that Lenski did NOT acknowlege you. You should argue the mathematics when it is done like Taq does it.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 413 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
The consensus seems to be that YOUR math is wrong - and that's because your biology is wrong. Nobody has a problem with the REAL math. And you know much better than the experts in probability theory that this math is wrong.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 413 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
So we're clear on that.
He hasn't acknowledged it yet. Kleinman writes:
And more people are reading The Lord of the Rings all the time. Doesn't make it more true.
That's why more people are reading these papers all the time. Kleinman writes:
There doesn't seem to be anybody who believes it after they read it. They must read it because they don't believe it.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 413 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
I don't think I've said anything to you about thermodynamics, so why would you say that? Whoever taught you thermodynamics blew it. However, I am happy to give you a kindergarten-level lesson in thermodynamics. Go ahead and ask questions.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 413 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Kleinman writes:
Well, I'm glad you noticed that I expressed it mathematically. But do you understand it?
And your explanation of "B and C evolved from A" and "C evolved from B" shows your degree of mathematical understanding of biological evolution. Kleinman writes:
You're getting ahead of yourself. Stick with A, B and C for now:
Now I know why "D and U evolved from M and B". So, please go on.B represents reptiles C represents birds A represents a common ancestor So B evolved from Aand C evolved from A But you have been saying that C evolved from B. That is a serious misunderstanding of biology. (AND a serious misunderstanding of mathemqtics.) Do you understand yet that you are wrong about B evolving into C?Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 413 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Theodoric writes:
He keeps waiting for them to bud. He must be a real hit with the ladies.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 413 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
That has nothing to do with what I said. All you have to do is post a link that shows how antimicrobial resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 413 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
I prefer to stick with the people who know what they're talking about. ... you can be wrong about whatever you want.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 413 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
I had the same professor for two classes. He told us that the first time he did thermodynamics, as an undergraduate, he didn't understand it. The second time he did it, as a grad student, he thought he understood it. But when he had to teach it, he realized he didn't understand it as well as he thought. So, you never studied thermodynamics? I only offered you a KINDERGARTEN-level thermodynamics lesson because I don't pretend to be an expert thermodynamicist - and I don't expect you to understand anything but the kindergarten level.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 413 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
And you are still showing that you don't. You have shown you know the ABCs of biological evolution. You have been saying that C evolved from B. That is a serious misunderstanding of biology AND a serious misunderstanding of mathemqtics. Do you understand yet that you are wrong about B evolving into C? Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 413 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Kleinman writes:
I know there's a difference between sexual and asexual reproduction, which you can't seem to grasp. And I know that you can't discuss DNA without understanding that asexual reproduction involves one parent while sexual reproduction involves the combination of two parents. You don't seem to grasp that either. So thermodynamics isn't the only subject you have mastered.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 413 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
And that has nothing to do with what I said in the post you replied to. I said:
You keep claiming that biologists have explained how antimicrobial drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. They have not explained it.quote:Nothing about antimicrobial drug resistance. If you're going to be evasive, at least don't be so transparently dishonest about it.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 413 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
I googled it. There doesn't seem to be any shortage of explanations. o, post a link written by a biologist that explains how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 413 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
He even lent me a textbook for the more advanced class.
You had an impressive instructor. Kleinman writes:
It remains to be seen if anything is simple enough for you to understand. The thermodynamics that applies to competition is pretty simple. Do you understand yet that A → B and A → C are NOT the same as B → C ?Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 413 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleunman writes:
You're not ready for that yet. First, do you understand yet that you are wrong about B evolving into C?
Now show us how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatment fail. Kleinman writes:
I was thinking of using A for ancestor, B for birds and R for reptiles, but you haven't demonstrated yet that you understand A, B and C. Maybe you better go to the letter "E" for the Kishony experiment. Do you understand yet that you are wrong about B evolving into C?Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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