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Theodoric
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Message 1265 of 3694 (900971)
11-03-2022 8:28 AM
Reply to: Message 1262 by Phat
11-03-2022 7:36 AM


Re: Tangles Honest Response
Lee Strobel? You attack Carrier but promote Strobel? Strobel has no relevant education or degrees in the subject matter. He is an ex-journalist that is now a Professor of Christian Thought. His arguments are easily destroyed by actual scholars on the subject. Even nonscholars like Earl Doherty show how feeble Strobel's reasoning is. But who needs arguments, facts and reasoning when you have faith.
Challenging the Verdict

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 1269 of 3694 (900978)
11-03-2022 10:45 AM
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11-03-2022 10:30 AM


Re: Theodoric rushes in to discredit Stobe
All you have are personal attacks, how about making an argument supporting Strobel or showing he has some sort of credentials to actually make a valid argument?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 1285 of 3694 (901032)
11-03-2022 9:09 PM
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11-03-2022 1:32 PM


Re: Theodoric rushes in to discredit Stobel
Really?
It figures you would quote Richard Carrier. Richard Carrier is a hack sent by satan to discredit the Jesus of the Bible.
Crawl back under your rock.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 1293 of 3694 (901149)
11-05-2022 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 1292 by Phat
11-05-2022 11:12 AM


Re: What does God want of Us
I dont think you understand what the word irrational.means.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 1305 of 3694 (901210)
11-06-2022 12:41 AM
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11-05-2022 5:06 PM


Text is fine
Nope

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 1325 of 3694 (901354)
11-08-2022 4:18 PM
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11-08-2022 3:44 PM


Re: Evidence Unplugged
They had no original manuscripts.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 1326 of 3694 (901357)
11-08-2022 4:22 PM
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11-08-2022 3:48 PM


Re: Making It All Up
That is not how iron is used to make steel.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 1328 of 3694 (901372)
11-08-2022 5:30 PM
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11-08-2022 5:27 PM


Re: Evidence Unplugged
Explain what a copy of an original manuscript is.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 1330 of 3694 (901388)
11-08-2022 7:52 PM
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11-08-2022 5:49 PM


Re: Evidence Unplugged
How do you know they are accurate or if they are copies of an original?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 1354 of 3694 (901544)
11-10-2022 8:39 PM
Reply to: Message 1353 by Phat
11-10-2022 6:24 PM


Re: What does God want of Us
Where did the "intelligence" come from? Define what you mean by the term. Define "God" too.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 1375 of 3694 (902225)
11-19-2022 2:25 PM
Reply to: Message 1372 by GDR
11-18-2022 8:02 PM


Re: What does God want of Us
Wash, rinse, repeat.
Everything here has been addressed multiple times already.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 1382 of 3694 (902319)
11-21-2022 3:50 PM
Reply to: Message 1380 by GDR
11-21-2022 2:04 PM


Countdown till GDR runs away again.
So, since no one buys into your ideas you get pissy? Again you failed to convince anyone that you have or ever had a valid, convincing argument. Maybe time to run away again and come back later wit the same stupid arguments.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 1393 of 3694 (902515)
11-24-2022 1:19 PM
Reply to: Message 1390 by GDR
11-24-2022 2:30 AM


Re: How can ultimate purpose come from anyone else, especially a God?
Bauckham is a Christian theologian he has no advanced degree in History. He does apologetics not History.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 1399 of 3694 (902522)
11-24-2022 5:58 PM
Reply to: Message 1398 by GDR
11-24-2022 5:41 PM


Re: What does God want of Us
There is also this.
quote:
Scholars have also debated the issue of hearsay in the reference by Tacitus. Charles Guignebert argued that "So long as there is that possibility [that Tacitus is merely echoing what Christians themselves were saying], the passage remains quite worthless".[68] R. T. France states that the Tacitus passage is at best just Tacitus repeating what he had heard through Christians.[69]

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 1406 of 3694 (902529)
11-24-2022 9:54 PM
Reply to: Message 1403 by GDR
11-24-2022 8:26 PM


Re: How can ultimate purpose come from anyone else, especially a God?
It can't for example tell us who we should vote for in an election.
This has nothing to do with exploring historicity. History is a science. Historians use the scientific method to determine what mist likely in the past. There is no contemporary evidence for Jesus Christ or followers. None.
Your bible is not evidence. It is not evidence until you provide provenance and evidence of authorship. Without that it is equal to Lord of the Rings.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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