Coffee House Musings on Creationist Topic Proposals

I don't give a rat's ass whether you believe or not. UCD is established fact and you cannot challenge it.

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Why are you talking about evidence for UCD? I think you must be in the wrong thread.

You've got this all arse about face. I can throw a ball at a target without needing to "accept" Newton's laws. Never-the-less the laws still apply.So when medical science uses animal models to test drugs they choose animals that are the likeliest to react to them the same way as humans - which assumes genetic similarity. Without any knowledge of evolution (the UCD is a conclusion drawn from the ToE) it would be logical to choose chimps as models but why would you also choose pigs? Or a fruit fly? The answer is common relatedness.

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According to his (Alfred Nobel's) words, the Nobel Prize of Physiology or Medicine (NPPM) should be attributed to “the person who shall have made the most important discovery within the domain of physiology or medicine.” Until today, 222 scientists awarded the NPPM from 1901 to 2020 [3]. According to the Foundation for Biomedical Research, 186 award researchers (from the 222 total) used animal models in their projects [4]. From the total of NPPM awards, 23 were attributed to scientists and projects directly related to Pharmacology and the use and test of different drugs and chemicals in order to treat diseases, infectious agents, and physical conditions [4].

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Animal models are based on the principle of comparative medicine that animals share physiological, pathological, behavioral, or many more other characteristics with humans.

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Animal Models in Pharmacology: A Brief History Awarding the Nobel Prizes for Physiology or Medicine - FullText - Pharmacology 2021, Vol. 106, No. 7-8 - Karger PublishersSo without the relatedness of all species, the animal models that all drug researchers use would not work and the relatedness of all species is due to common descent.Modern medicine depends on UCD simply being a fact. But even if it didn't, even if it had no clue that all life descended from a common ancestor, it would still be fact.

Which treatment of which disease has been developed by creationists denying "the fact of UCD", and why?

No. YOU made the claim that UCD is not necessary for [blah blah blah]. YOU are the one who has to back up that claim.UCD is the default position in all science. It is ridiculous to demand that anybody "back it up".

I'm not demanding that anyone "back up" UCD.I asked the poster to provide a scientific paper that says Covid vaccines work bcoz of UCD.

No, the answer is common DNA. Finding model animals with similar DNA to humans doesn't require the theory of UCD.A scientist who rejects UCD could find model animals with similar DNA to humans just as competently as a scientist who accepts UCD.

The article says "Animal models are based on the principle of comparative medicine that animals share physiological, pathological, behavioral, or many more other characteristics with humans".It doesn't say anything about animal models being based on UCD.You've got it arse-about-face:
The similarities that exist between humans and model animals don't need the theory of UCD, but the theory of UCD needs the similarities that exist between humans and model animals. Medicine doesn't care if "the relatedness of all species is due to common descent" or not. If the fossil record didn't exist and no one had ever thought of UCD, it wouldn't make any difference to medical science. Simply bullshit. Your explanation for why certain animals share physiological, pathological, behavioral, or many more other characteristics with humans is irrelevant and useless to medicine.Medicine works due to the utilization of facts, and owes nothing to useless Darwinist folklore like the theory of UCD. UCD no doubt serves as a comforting bedtime story for atheists, but medicine has no use for it.

Why would a scientific paper say such a thing? Why do you think it should? How would this support any position you have?

So Goddidit. Right?

Of course you are. You are repeatedly asking for evidence that UCD is necessary.

So if your DNA and your cousin's DNA are similar, that isn't because you have the same grandfather?ABE But they DON't. Science-deniers DON'T make scientific discoveries.

more Dredgings: I'm glad you see that it explains the Why.But there are thousands upon thousands of species, and the DNA similarity is a great way to Save Time Looking -
likely several decades of wasted time. Like driving on mapped paved roads versus just driving off into the woods
and over any old river to get to your grandmother's house.

And you know this how? Can you cite any papers attesting to this indifference by medicine to the descent of life?Do you have any reference or logic that even hints at this?No, no, it's OK. We know you don't. Another one of your lies, Choir Boy.