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Message 1144 of 1429 (902480)
11-24-2022 7:36 AM
Reply to: Message 1134 by Dredge
11-23-2022 3:37 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
Which treatment of which disease could not have been developed without accepting "the fact of UCD", and why?
You've got this all arse about face. I can throw a ball at a target without needing to "accept" Newton's laws. Never-the-less the laws still apply.
So when medical science uses animal models to test drugs they choose animals that are the likeliest to react to them the same way as humans - which assumes genetic similarity. Without any knowledge of evolution (the UCD is a conclusion drawn from the ToE) it would be logical to choose chimps as models but why would you also choose pigs? Or a fruit fly? The answer is common relatedness.
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According to his (Alfred Nobel's) words, the Nobel Prize of Physiology or Medicine (NPPM) should be attributed to “the person who shall have made the most important discovery within the domain of physiology or medicine.” Until today, 222 scientists awarded the NPPM from 1901 to 2020 [3]. According to the Foundation for Biomedical Research, 186 award researchers (from the 222 total) used animal models in their projects [4]. From the total of NPPM awards, 23 were attributed to scientists and projects directly related to Pharmacology and the use and test of different drugs and chemicals in order to treat diseases, infectious agents, and physical conditions [4].
Animal models are based on the principle of comparative medicine that animals share physiological, pathological, behavioral, or many more other characteristics with humans.
Animal Models in Pharmacology: A Brief History Awarding the Nobel Prizes for Physiology or Medicine - FullText - Pharmacology 2021, Vol. 106, No. 7-8 - Karger Publishers
So without the relatedness of all species, the animal models that all drug researchers use would not work and the relatedness of all species is due to common descent.
Modern medicine depends on UCD simply being a fact. But even if it didn't, even if it had no clue that all life descended from a common ancestor, it would still be fact.

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Message 1206 of 1429 (903196)
12-06-2022 10:31 AM
Reply to: Message 1205 by Phat
12-06-2022 9:59 AM


Re: Darwinist Propaganda
Phat writes:
So why do critics of evolution always refer to the study as Darwinism?
Because they know nothing about the theory of evolution, but need a named enemy.
It's actually quite useful as it immediately identifies them as a clueless fundamentalist.

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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