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Dredge Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
APauling writes:
APauling nonsense. How did you manage to get reality so so wrong?
And since you're a cracker munchin' catholic with delusions of Genesis poisoning your brain, anything you say on the subject is, entertaining, but ultimately intellectually useless.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8561 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Are you saying that, if I get a Covid jab, it won't work bcoz I don't accept "the fact of UCD"? The fact you can't accept common descent is an intellectual failure. The jab will work, precisely because of common descent, regardless of what your injured brain is fantasizing.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Dredge Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
APauling writes:
Show me a scientific paper that says Covid vaccines work because of UCD.
The jab will work, precisely because of common descent,
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8561 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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No. Go find it yourself. UCD is now the default position in evolution. You want to kill it, you do the work. The evidence for common descent is available. Go learn. Then tell us where it is wrong if you think you can. We'll wait.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Stile Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined:
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Dredge writes: Show me a scientific paper that says Covid vaccines work because of UCD. Show me a user manual that says vehicles work because of nuts and bolts The point is that nuts and bolts are irrevocably important to the manufacture of vehicles. Understanding this importance leads to greater vehicle technology.The point is that UCD is irrevocably important to those genetic similarities existing. Understanding this importance leads to greater biological/medicinal technology.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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The funny and sad thing is that he thinks he has some sort of gotcha. It just exposes his ignorance. He tries to sound like he has the ultimate argument against UCD but all he does is continue to show he does not even have a basic idea of the scientific method.
Another troll that should be ignored. A one-trick pony that does not even have a trick or a pony for that matter. What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Taq Member Posts: 10084 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Dredge writes: Are you saying that, if I get a Covid jab, it won't work bcoz I don't accept "the fact of UCD"? NASA is able to get satellites to orbit the Earth even though there are Flat Earthers. You can continue to deny basic findings in science, but that doesn't change the reality.
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FLRW Member (Idle past 504 days) Posts: 73 Joined:
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See; A formal test of the theory of universal common ancestry
by Douglas L Theobald Abstract Universal common ancestry (UCA) is a central pillar of modern evolutionary theory. As first suggested by Darwin, the theory of UCA posits that all extant terrestrial organisms share a common genetic heritage, each being the genealogical descendant of a single species from the distant past. The classic evidence for UCA, although massive, is largely restricted to 'local' common ancestry-for example, of specific phyla rather than the entirety of life-and has yet to fully integrate the recent advances from modern phylogenetics and probability theory. Although UCA is widely assumed, it has rarely been subjected to formal quantitative testing, and this has led to critical commentary emphasizing the intrinsic technical difficulties in empirically evaluating a theory of such broad scope. Furthermore, several researchers have proposed that early life was characterized by rampant horizontal gene transfer, leading some to question the monophyly of life. Here I provide the first, to my knowledge, formal, fundamental test of UCA, without assuming that sequence similarity implies genetic kinship. I test UCA by applying model selection theory to molecular phylogenies, focusing on a set of ubiquitously conserved proteins that are proposed to be orthologous. Among a wide range of biological models involving the independent ancestry of major taxonomic groups, the model selection tests are found to overwhelmingly support UCA irrespective of the presence of horizontal gene transfer and symbiotic fusion events. These results provide powerful statistical evidence corroborating the monophyly of all known life.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
APauling writes:
That's not the point. The scientific consensus, by near unanimous agreement, agrees the fact of the UCD is a linchpin in the evidence of evolution. Which treatment of which disease could not have been developed without accepting "the fact of UCD", and why?
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Dredge Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
APauling writes:
In other words, you have nothing to support your claim that Covid vaccines work because of UCD Message 1127.
No. Go find it yourself.UCD is now the default position in evolution. You want to kill it, you do the work. The evidence for common descent is available
More evasion. My question doesn't concern evidence for UCD. I want to know how the theory of UCD has made a practical contribution to medical or biological science. Do try and keep on-topic.
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.4
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troll
"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside." Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned! Enjoy every sandwich! - xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale
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Dredge Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
What does any of that have to do with the discussion?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8561 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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In other words, you have nothing to support your claim ... No. What I said, since your reading comprehension problem has arisen again, is this: Fuck you. I am not going to waste my time duplicating the science that is out there on the net for your lazy ass to answer these questions in support of evolution and UCD. The evidence is there for YOU to find, you anti-intellectual lazy fuck.
I want to know how the theory of UCD has made a practical contribution to medical or biological science. Then go comb the literature you lazy dumb shit. The answers are there. You will find that you can try to punch holes in UCD and evolution but you can only fail. If you want to know why and how UCD informes evolution, medical science and biology, you are not going to find it in the confession booth. Go learn, if you still have that capability. More importantly, you have no alternative to UCD and the processes of evolution. Like the religious buffoons before you, you can only try to destroy, you cannot build. Your religious views are stillborn in stupidity and your meat-cracker gutter religion is useless to the human knowledge base. You and your catholic church have no knowledge. You have nothing to offer humanity but delusion, propagation of ignorance and blood soaked evil.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Dredge Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
APauling writes:
That's not how it works. You made the claim, so the onus is on YOU to provide evidence that supports it. No. Go find it yourself.If you can't provide a scientific paper that supports your claim that Covid vaccines work because of UCD Message 1127, why should I believe you?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8561 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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That's not how it works. Yes, that is exactly how it works. You want to replace the edifice of evolution which is the established science. The evidence to support evolution, like UCD, has been known for more than a century and is available to all who seek it. And there is a hell of a lot of it. You are the one who wants to replace evolution. Therefore, it is incumbent upon you to produce the evidence for your alternative and it has to be stronger than the evidence of evolution. So stop asking about UCD. It is established reality as well attested by the facts. If you want to unseat it you need to provide two things: an alternative process and a stronger block of evidence to support it. You have neither. Our understanding of evolution is vastly superior to any religious tripe you just pull out of your bible and you cannot touch it. You have no evidence. Hell, you can't even put forward any viable alternatives, evidenced or no.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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