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Message 1115 of 1429 (902238)
11-19-2022 6:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1113 by Dredge
11-19-2022 12:51 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredgings:
Why do you need to believe that all life shares a common ancestor to examine and compare the DNA of humans and other animals?
First off: "Why do you need to believe that all life shares a common ancestor?"
I don't believe this, i accept it as demonstrated fact.
Secondly, "to examine and compare the DNA of humans and other animals?"
The measure of DNA separation can only be understood with UCD, otherwise you are shooting in the dark.
I'm beginning to see you as a Sea Lion troll.

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
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Enjoy every sandwich!

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Message 1136 of 1429 (902456)
11-23-2022 5:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1135 by Dredge
11-23-2022 4:01 PM


Sea Lion Dyin'
troll

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Message 1154 of 1429 (902561)
11-25-2022 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 1149 by Dredge
11-25-2022 3:46 AM


Re: UCD evidence
more Dredgings:
Simply bullshit. Your explanation for why certain animals share physiological, pathological, behavioral, or many more other characteristics with humans is irrelevant and useless to medicine.
I'm glad you see that it explains the Why.
But there are thousands upon thousands of species, and the DNA similarity is a great way to Save Time Looking -
likely several decades of wasted time. Like driving on mapped paved roads versus just driving off into the woods
and over any old river to get to your grandmother's house.

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

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Message 1168 of 1429 (902718)
11-27-2022 10:20 AM
Reply to: Message 1161 by Dredge
11-26-2022 6:16 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredgings:
And speaking of having "nothing", I'm still waiting for you to provide a scientific opinion that supports your claim that Covid vaccines work due to UCD. I suspect my wait will be a long one ...
The vaccines use the RNA-DNA mechanism that was originated by the Universal Common Descent organism. Just google it, man:
Science of mRNA - Moderna
QED

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Message 1176 of 1429 (902866)
11-28-2022 8:31 AM
Reply to: Message 1171 by Dredge
11-28-2022 2:19 AM


Re: UCD evidence
migosh you don't understand english, do you?
Dredgings:
Oh, I get what you mean ... if scientists don't accept that RNA-DNA is the result of Universal Common Descent, RNA-DNA will change or perhaps cease to exist and the vaccines won't work.
if scientists don't accept it, it cannot change whether it exists, you stupid.
and they cannot retroactively change the efficacy of a vaccine either, you dumbo.
godzilla are you stoooopid.

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Message 1183 of 1429 (902990)
11-29-2022 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 1180 by Dredge
11-29-2022 7:23 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredgings:
If so, that means that - whether scientists accepted the theory of UCD or not - they would still have been able to develop the vaccine in the first place, doesn't it?
yes, once in a triple blue moon on Friday the 13th, in some unlikely year,
they could stumble into a vaccine.
i'm not gonna bet the farm on it, though.
but they'd have to be looking for it. -- and if they didn't accept UCD,
then their method of looking for it would still have to be consistent with
the UCD RNA-DNA mechanism, using lab equipment and procedures that
just so happened to not destroy any steps along the multi-year way.
no. i'm not gonna bet the farm on that.

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Message 1190 of 1429 (903048)
12-01-2022 5:48 PM
Reply to: Message 1189 by Theodoric
12-01-2022 3:36 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Theodoric writes:
I like how he sets the pins up so you (Taq) can knock 'em down. I believe that was a strike.
Agree. I'm learning a lot in this thread.

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Message 1209 of 1429 (903211)
12-06-2022 11:20 AM
Reply to: Message 1208 by Taq
12-06-2022 10:41 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Taq writes:
It appears my analogy was dead on:

Frank: Airplanes are useless as modes of transportation.
Abe: That's not true. I flew in an airplane from Boston to Atlanta, and it worked great.
Frank: That doesn't count since you could have driven in a car from Boston to Atlanta.
Abe: But I didn't drive in a car. I flew in an airplane.
Frank: Well, you didn't have to fly, so airplanes are still useless.
My old friend in college used to rue that analogies never work.
In this case, he is confirmed, because we still don't have the car analogy to drive to Atlanta. The only way in the analogy is to fly.
Maybe if it was the huge rocket to get an astronaut to the moon:
Dredge: Rockets are useless as a way to get to the moon.
Abe: That's not true. The Apollo 11 crew flew on a rocket from Earth to the moon, and it worked great.
Dredge: That doesn't count since in the crew cabin itself there was no rocket.
Abe: But they flew on a rocket.
Dredge: Well, there is no evidence of a rocket in any of the interior footage of the crew cabins, not on any of the lights and switches, so rockets are still useless.

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Message 1226 of 1429 (903243)
12-07-2022 12:59 AM
Reply to: Message 1222 by Dredge
12-07-2022 12:10 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Looks like the poor fool is baffled...
Dredgings:
xongsmith writes:
Now stating that using animal models doesn't require accepting the theory of UCD is like stating that using animal models doesn't require examining their DNA.
????????
Yes, you don't have the brainpower to even understand this simple statement.
Yet you have conceded that closeness in DNA is valuable in medical research.
DNA is the evidence of a UCD system:
For to have another completely different lifeform seperately come up with
the same complex RNA-DNA system inherited by every descendant lifeform
KNOWN SO FAR on earth it would be mathematically so unlikely, less than all
the organic molecules in our solar system suddenly breaking apart at once.
I'm not gonna hold my breath for that.

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Message 1248 of 1429 (903287)
12-07-2022 11:41 PM
Reply to: Message 1247 by Dredge
12-07-2022 11:00 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredgings:
The Cambrian Explosion alone makes a mockery of the superstition of UCD.
No it doesn't. Get your head on straight.
The rate of speciation from whichever set of organisms are present at a particular time from the UCD can vary all over the place and has.

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Message 1271 of 1429 (903492)
12-12-2022 12:39 AM
Reply to: Message 1270 by Dredge
12-11-2022 8:00 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredgings:
well,
WTF??? I'm beginning to understand why I flunked Elementary school ...
fixed it for you. no need to thank me.

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Message 1274 of 1429 (903513)
12-12-2022 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 1272 by Dredge
12-12-2022 9:48 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredgings:
If I had to prove that a negative number multiplied by a negative number equals a positive number, for example, I wouldn't even know where to start.
let me help. the -1 should be considered an Operator, as in (-1)* 6 = -6. the operator Reverses the sign of its operand:
(-1)*6 -> reverse the sign of 6 -> -6
so then when you have (-6)*(-7), you write it (-1)*6 times (-1)*7, then arrange it (-1)*(-1)*6*7. then you have (-1)*(-1)*42 = (-1)*(-42).
but the (-1) is an Operator that reverses the sign of what its operating on. so what is the reverse sign of -42?
it is simple, it's +42.
It is a LIE to say that UCD has been "established" as a "fact".
I don't see where dwise1 claims it is a fact. it's just that millions of attempts to disprove it have failed, so the scientific Theory of Evolution has stood the test of time. scientific Theories are not claimed to be facts, just the best explanation we currently have for the facts.
I'll ignore for now your Trumpian, childish insulting term "Darwinoid":
That's why only a fool would trust what Darwinoids say ... they lie all the time.
this is a dishonest claim. cite one instance of a lie that is in the current Theory of Evolution.
My question is different: I want to know if the theory of UCD has provided a practical advancement in medical science or applied biology ... I haven't encountered one yet.
you are still not seeing the rocket engine in the crew cabin of Apollo 11 because you think it would need to be in the cabin.
the TRVTH is that every single advancement in medical science or applied biology uses the established concept of UCD.
open your eyes. apparently you need to go back to elementary school and PAY ATTENTION!
you are embarrassing yourself as a representative of the human species and should stop until you have learned better.

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Message 1291 of 1429 (903652)
12-14-2022 6:03 PM
Reply to: Message 1285 by Dredge
12-14-2022 8:37 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredgings:
medical science will make use of the mechanism regardless.
I'd much rather it happen in my lifetime than wasting 100's of years barking down the wrong tree.

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Message 1294 of 1429 (903666)
12-15-2022 12:52 AM


Provora - is this what Dredge wants to see?
well, well, well:
New branch on Tree of Life contains organisms unlike any others on Earth
“In the taxonomy of living organisms, we often use the gene ‘18S rRNA’ to describe genetic difference,” said Dr. Denis Tikhonenkov, first author of the study. “For example, humans differ from guinea pigs in this gene by only six nucleotides. We were surprised to find that these predatory microbes differ by 170 to 180 nucleotides in the 18S rRNA gene from every other living thing on Earth. It became clear that we had discovered something completely new and amazing.”
so it appears to still use the RNA-DNA system originated by the UCD.
oh well....

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Message 1297 of 1429 (903680)
12-15-2022 4:01 AM
Reply to: Message 1295 by Dredge
12-15-2022 3:48 AM


Re: UCD: Gift From God
Dredgings:
Mankind has been using "exotic plants" for their "pharmaceutical effects" for at least 4000 years.

Gee, I wonder how we did that without the theory of UCD. LOL!!
...and none of them worked very well. A lot of stoned out people still sick.
I don't want to wait another 4000 years, Dredge. Instead I will trust the professionals using the RNA-DNA relatedness from UCD.

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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