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Author Topic:   Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."
Kleinman
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Message 2061 of 2926 (902433)
11-23-2022 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 2059 by AZPaul3
11-23-2022 11:30 AM


Re: Resorting to spamming us
Kleinman:
Of course, he hasn't done any of this, he just makes long, long, long, long goodbyes. He's a dope.
AZPaul3:
No. You are a fraud. Nothing you say is real. You blatantly lie for the sake of the lie. You fake resources. You muddle the math and insist it is real. You misrepresent what others say and twist the facts in their posts (200,000 times). You have the extreme lack of ethics and morality we come to expect from a meat-cracker catholic.

You are a religious fraud, Kleinman.

So untwist them dumdum. You can't because you don't know how drug resistance occurs and why cancer treatments fail. All you know is that reptiles turn into birds and fish turn into mammals. What a dope.

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2063 of 2926 (902436)
11-23-2022 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 2060 by Theodoric
11-23-2022 12:07 PM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Theodoric:
So no one. Because if you had you would tell us.
Fraud. Crank.
This must be the long, long, long, long, long, long goodbye. You can't tell what is true or not unless someone agrees. That explains why biologists have failed to explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. They all fail to understand the physics and mathematics of biological evolution. You can't even tell when that's the truth you are so mathematically incompetent. It appears we can expect many more goodbyes from the brilliant mind.

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Kleinman
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Message 2065 of 2926 (902438)
11-23-2022 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 2062 by AZPaul3
11-23-2022 12:17 PM


Re: Resorting to spamming us
Kleinman:
So untwist them dumdum.
AZPaul3:
Taq and PaulK already did. Your muddled math is one of the major indictments to your fraud.

You are an intellectually and ethically stunted fraud, Kleinman.

Right, like Taq knows how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. He's so brilliant, he knows that 200k retroviral infections do no harm but then posts an example of koalas with a retroviral infection that might drive them extinct.
And PaulK wouldn't be so confused if he read my papers. He would then see that I do the math correctly.
So, when are you going to post all those links that explain the evolution of drug resistance? Try finding one that shows how the Kishony experiment works. That is if you are not to busy thinking that reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals.

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Kleinman
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Message 2067 of 2926 (902442)
11-23-2022 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 2066 by Tanypteryx
11-23-2022 12:52 PM


Re: Resorting to spamming us
Kleinman:
That is if you are not to busy thinking that reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals.
Tanypteryx:
You creationists are the only ones stupid enough to think that strawman represents evolution. Everyone knows you are just a bullshit peddler who can't even explain antibiotic resistance.

Oh boy, Tany is going to explain the evolution of antibiotic resistance, right after he explains how a germ cell line can get 200k retroviral infections that do no harm. Of course, we have to wait for him to finish chasing bugs. He's a world class bug chaser.

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Kleinman
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Message 2069 of 2926 (902444)
11-23-2022 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 2068 by dwise1
11-23-2022 1:58 PM


Re: Resorting to spamming us
Tantpteryx:
His behavior is pretty bizarre, especially for an MD or a scientist.
dwise:
Engineer, not scientist. Or at least that's what he claimed.

Yep, and licensed in both fields. Right, and biologists are scientists that can't explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. Even when Edward Tatum gave the correct description of how to stop these processes in his 1958 Nobel Laureate Lecture. Perhaps in another 100 years, they can get it right, you know, hope springs eternal. It's not likely though when people like Tany and Taq claim that a germ line cell can have 200k retroviral infections that don't do harm to a germ cell. That's pretty stupid. And I only did about 150,000 patient visits (many had drug-resistant infections, no thanks to biologists like Tany or Taq), and no malpractice cases, two cases dropped before discovery, and one case I won on summary judgment, actually making the correct diagnosis during the case. Stupid biologists never explained how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. They can't explain the physics and mathematics of evolution.
You obviously can't explain how drug resistance evolves or why cancer treatments fail, you must be a biologist.

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2071 of 2926 (902446)
11-23-2022 2:59 PM
Reply to: Message 2070 by AZPaul3
11-23-2022 2:44 PM


Re: Resorting to spamming us
Kleinman:
Yep, and licensed in both fields.
AZPaul3:
The way you have acted in this thread I doubt you are licensed for anything including the DMV.

Can't trust anything you say. That's what happens when you prove yourself to be a liar and a fraud.

Check it out yourself dumdum and you will find that you are wrong again (and again, and again). You don't know anything about the physics and mathematics of biological evolution. You imagine all these papers out there that explain the evolution of antimicrobial resistance and why cancer treatments fail but they are only in your imagination.

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Kleinman
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Message 2073 of 2926 (902449)
11-23-2022 3:54 PM
Reply to: Message 2072 by dwise1
11-23-2022 3:04 PM


Re: Resorting to spamming us
dwise1:
I'm something of a polymath, interested in many subjects including biology. I'm a retired software engineer. We are always working with data representation and with modeling systems, which is why I can see that you're rubbish with math models. You clearly do not know what you are doing.
So, figure out the Kishony and Lenski experiments, oh great dwise1. You won't because you don't understand the physics and mathematics of biological evolution. When you fail at that, I'll show you how to do the math, master of polymath.

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
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Message 2075 of 2926 (902453)
11-23-2022 4:42 PM
Reply to: Message 2074 by dwise1
11-23-2022 4:26 PM


Re: Resorting to spamming us
dwise1:
I already told you, you stupid idiot. Get a new script to read from! Your empty bluster does not cover up your own ignorance and incompetence and it really had become very tiresome.
You don't like it because it's the truth, polymath. It is obvious you won't do the physics and math for the Kishony and Lenski experiments. You are too ignorant. Quit whining about scripts and do the math, dummy. And your fruit is a bunch of dead people from drug-resistant infections and failed cancer treatments. Good job preacher man.

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2077 of 2926 (902455)
11-23-2022 5:17 PM
Reply to: Message 2076 by dwise1
11-23-2022 5:02 PM


Re: Resorting to spamming us
You are wrong polymath no matter how many smiles you use. You fail to do the mathematics of the Kishony and Lenski experiments and you don't understand the physics and mathematics of biological evolution. Go program your computer games, they don't have to fit reality.

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
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Message 2079 of 2926 (902465)
11-23-2022 7:39 PM
Reply to: Message 2078 by dwise1
11-23-2022 7:03 PM


Re: Resorting to spamming us
dwise1:
You are so utterly pathetic!
Your smilies don't cover up the fact that you can't do the mathematics for the Kishony and Lenski experiment and you know nothing about the physics and mathematics of biological evolution. You are wrong polymath and you know it.

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2081 of 2926 (902467)
11-23-2022 8:17 PM
Reply to: Message 2080 by AZPaul3
11-23-2022 8:01 PM


Re: Resorting to spamming us
Kleinman:
You are wrong polymath and you know it.
AZPaul3:
No he isn't. Another ignorant claim by you. You are the one who is wrong. The problem is you don't know it despite the deliberate lies and frauds you tried to pull.

The varsity couldn't do it so they left the C- team to babble away. AZPaul3 can't do the mathematics for the Kishony and Lenski experiment and he certainly doesn't understand the physics and mathematics of biological evolution. You dream a delusion. You can't explain antimicrobial drug resistance and why cancer treatment fails. I hope you like it dry, real dry.

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
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Message 2083 of 2926 (902469)
11-23-2022 8:32 PM
Reply to: Message 2082 by dwise1
11-23-2022 8:17 PM


Re: Resorting to spamming us
dwise1 thinks that reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals but can't explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. He's completely ignorant of biological evolution. He's such a smart polymath.

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2085 of 2926 (902471)
11-23-2022 8:59 PM
Reply to: Message 2084 by dwise1
11-23-2022 8:52 PM


Re: Resorting to spamming us
dwise1 has no record other than drug-resistant bacteria and failed cancer treatments. That's not much of a record. But he knows that reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals. Such a smart polymath. Maybe he will tell us how 200k retroviral infection of a germ cell line cause no harm. It would really help those suffering from HIV.

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
From: United States
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Message 2090 of 2926 (902481)
11-24-2022 8:21 AM


Taq doesn't understand that a phage is not an example of descent with modification. His Lederberg example is not an example of descent with modification. And he can't explain his own example. His example of a retrovirus in koalas driving them to extinction is not an example of 200k harmless retroviral infections in a germ line cell. A constant environment with a single constant selection pressure does not model a real environment so any conclusion you try to draw from these experimental examples has to be interpreted in this context. It still gives an accurate way of identifying the number of replications needed in order for descent with modification to have an adaptive mutation occur on some variant. However, a variable environment with multiple selection pressures behaves in a totally different manner than a constant single selection pressure environment when demonstrating biological competition and recombination. In a constant selection pressure environment, the most fit variants will increase in number improving the biological competition (fixation) and recombination (an adaptive event) for those variants. In a multiple selection pressure, changing environment, the most fit variant will be changing as the environment changes which will slow, the increase in frequencies of any variants in that environment that is continually changing, reducing the probabilities of fixation and an adaptive recombination event occurring. That is why, in the real situation, combination therapy works. It takes a larger population for descent with modification to adapt to two or more selection conditions than to one selection condition. It is the multiplication rule. That's why 3-drug combination therapy works for the treatment of HIV and combination therapy works for the control of weeds and insects. Taq can look for exceptions to these rules but that is what they are, exceptions. He has less than a weak argument to claim that UCD is possible based on these exceptions to the rule, but that is what his position is. Of course, he doesn't know the rules, otherwise, he could explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. He says he gives that explanation but where it is, nobody knows.
Tany's record speaks for itself. He chases bugs but knows nothing about biological evolution. He doesn't know how many citations my papers get and he doesn't know how many people read my papers. He doesn't understand the difference between biological competition and descent with modification, an elementary principle that every biologist should know, but he doesn't know.
dwise1 tries to change the subject to computer minutiae which has nothing to do with biological evolution. He should stick with smilie faces, that has more pertinence to biological evolution (which is none). But what can he do when his delusions burst?
AZPaul3's understanding of biological evolution is limited to reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals but he can't explain the evolution of drug resistance or why cancer treatments fail. He might as well read fairy tales for what he has learned. And I hope he likes it dry, real dry.
And I want to thank you, you have increased the number of reads of my papers and citations as well. Keep up the good work.

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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 335 days)
Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2092 of 2926 (902483)
11-24-2022 9:17 AM
Reply to: Message 2091 by AZPaul3
11-24-2022 8:29 AM


AZPaul3:
Fraud.
Succinct but wrong. Aren't you going to explain to us the evolution of drug resistance and why cancer treatments fail? If we can't get that, tell us how reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals. We won't get that from this C- team member.

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