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MrIntelligentDesign
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Message 526 of 534 (902204)
11-18-2022 9:02 PM
Reply to: Message 524 by Taq
11-18-2022 10:40 AM


Oh my goodness, you really do not how to follow and conduct real science!
1. ID is concern mainly in the topic of the kind or type of "change" since Darwin and supporters of Evolution had messed this difficult topic. So that Darwin and Evolutionists could continue their science explanations, they neglected the topic of intelligence and quickly concluded non-intelligence, or natural. To support their conclusion, they concluded Natural Selection, and not Intelligent Selection. By doing this, those ignorant supporters of Evolution really dismissed the topic of intelligence, concluding further that the change of frequency alleles are always non-intelligence or natural.
2. ID had discovered the actual topic of intelligence and non-intelligence, (it should be done first by Evolutionist) which means, any topic in Biology, like the topic of change, could now be categorized if the change is directed by intelligence or not. The conclusion was that the change of freq alleles is guided by intelligence, since life, is part or product of intelligence. To falsify this, critics must redefine intelligence with experiment, and fight side by side with ID.
3. Then, ID has new model to compete with Biol Evolu. The new theory is Biological Interrelation, BiTs. The differences are very simple:
a. Evolution is dead on intelligence, thus, wrong, while BiTs knows about intelligence and is correct.
b. The change is intelligently guided change, since intelligence and its variant words are part of reality.
4. Now, Biological Interrelation had refuted almost all explanations from erroneous Evolution. Thus, any topic from Evolution are based on non-intelligence change a stupid conclusion from Evolutionists.

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Message 527 of 534 (902273)
11-21-2022 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 526 by MrIntelligentDesign
11-18-2022 9:02 PM


MrIntelligentDesign writes:
1. ID is concern mainly in the topic of the kind or type of "change" since Darwin and supporters of Evolution had messed this difficult topic. So that Darwin and Evolutionists could continue their science explanations, they neglected the topic of intelligence and quickly concluded non-intelligence, or natural. To support their conclusion, they concluded Natural Selection, and not Intelligent Selection. By doing this, those ignorant supporters of Evolution really dismissed the topic of intelligence, concluding further that the change of frequency alleles are always non-intelligence or natural.
That's false. They discovered a natural process that explained the observations.
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Now, since the days of Linnæus this principle has been carefully followed, and it is by its aid that the tree-like system of classification has been established. No one, even long before Darwin's days, ever dreamed of doubting that this system is in reality, what it always has been in name, a natural system. What, then, is the inference we are to draw from it? An evolutionist answers, that it is just such a system as his theory of descent would lead him to expect as a natural system. For this tree-like system is as clear an expression as anything could be of the fact that all species are bound together by the ties of genetic relationship. If all species were separately created, it is almost incredible that we should everywhere observe this progressive shading off of characters common to larger groups, into more and more specialized characters distinctive only of smaller and smaller groups. At any rate, to say the least, the law of parsimony forbids us to ascribe such effects to a supernatural cause, acting in so whimsical a manner, when the effects are precisely what we should expect to follow from the action of a highly probable natural cause.
--George Romanes, "Scientific Evidences of Organic Evolution", 1882
The Project Gutenberg eBook of The Scientific Evidences of Organic Evolution, by George J. Romanes, M.A., LL.D., F.R.S.
Once you discover a natural cause that is supported by mountains of evidence you accept the natural cause as the best explanation. You don't have to rule out the supernatural.
2. ID had discovered the actual topic of intelligence and non-intelligence, (it should be done first by Evolutionist) which means, any topic in Biology, like the topic of change, could now be categorized if the change is directed by intelligence or not. The conclusion was that the change of freq alleles is guided by intelligence, since life, is part or product of intelligence. To falsify this, critics must redefine intelligence with experiment, and fight side by side with ID.
That's as circular as it gets. Life is designed because life is designed? Really? That's all you have?
3. Then, ID has new model to compete with Biol Evolu. The new theory is Biological Interrelation, BiTs. The differences are very simple:
a. Evolution is dead on intelligence, thus, wrong, while BiTs knows about intelligence and is correct.
b. The change is intelligently guided change, since intelligence and its variant words are part of reality.

4. Now, Biological Interrelation had refuted almost all explanations from erroneous Evolution. Thus, any topic from Evolution are based on non-intelligence change a stupid conclusion from Evolutionists.
If ID is an actual scientific explanation, then it needs to explain these things, just to start:
1. The nested hierarchy
2. The difference in sequence conservation between exons and introns.
3. The difference in rates for transition and transversions in human-chimp genome comparisons.
4. Transitional hominid fossils.
5. The pattern of orthologous ERV's in primates.
You should also visit my other thread where I demonstrate that natural causes are behind the evolutionary changes:
https://www.evcforum.net/dm.php?control=msg&t=20367

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MrIntelligentDesign
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Message 528 of 534 (902381)
11-23-2022 3:05 AM
Reply to: Message 527 by Taq
11-21-2022 10:52 AM


I knew that Evolution claimed about natural (non-intelligent) processes, that has no intelligence.
But what is the dividing line between intelligent to non-intelligent?
Where is the line and what is the criteria?
Where is the test to show the claim from Evolution?

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Message 529 of 534 (902382)
11-23-2022 3:21 AM
Reply to: Message 528 by MrIntelligentDesign
11-23-2022 3:05 AM


But what is the dividing line between intelligent to non-intelligent?

Where is the line and what is the criteria?
This is your show. You answer these questions.
Where is the test to show the claim from Evolution?
Since evolution is so well established as the reality on this planet (see the preponderance of the evidence) we can truncate the test easily. If it's a living thing on this planet then it was the product of evolution.
If you care to present an alternative then stop criticizing evolution and build your case. We're not here to watch you gnash your teeth over evolution. We're here to debunk your New Improved ID v.2 whatever the hell that is.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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MrIntelligentDesign
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Message 530 of 534 (902383)
11-23-2022 6:25 AM
Reply to: Message 529 by AZPaul3
11-23-2022 3:21 AM


When you say "PRODUCT", you knew very well that it requires a criteria, either intelligent had been used or not...
Then, tell me, what is that criteria?
I and ID are late comer in science and not funded by taxes. Now, Evolution should be doing that first, proving and showing that Evolution is real theory.
So, where is the criteria and its test from Evolution about the dividing line between intelligent and not?

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Message 531 of 534 (902384)
11-23-2022 7:51 AM
Reply to: Message 530 by MrIntelligentDesign
11-23-2022 6:25 AM


When you say "PRODUCT", you knew very well that it requires a criteria, either intelligent had been used or not...

Then, tell me, what is that criteria?
You are the person who has been making a big deal over intelligence. It is up to you to provide the criteria.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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AZPaul3
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Message 532 of 534 (902386)
11-23-2022 8:42 AM
Reply to: Message 530 by MrIntelligentDesign
11-23-2022 6:25 AM


So, where is the criteria and its test from Evolution about the dividing line between intelligent and not?
See Message 529
Reading comprehension problem. Again, this is your show. You answer the question.
What are your criteria for intelligence? Not being a religious freak has got to be one of them, right?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Taq
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Message 533 of 534 (902406)
11-23-2022 10:37 AM
Reply to: Message 528 by MrIntelligentDesign
11-23-2022 3:05 AM


MrIntelligentDesign writes:
But what is the dividing line between intelligent to non-intelligent?
It is certainly far away from the basic natural mechanisms that drive evolution.
Where is the test to show the claim from Evolution?
Right here:
Mutations Confirm Common Descent

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Message 534 of 534 (902407)
11-23-2022 10:39 AM
Reply to: Message 530 by MrIntelligentDesign
11-23-2022 6:25 AM


MrIntelligentDesign writes:
Then, tell me, what is that criteria?
The main criteria is spontaneity. If it can occur on its own through natural processes then intelligence is ruled out by parsimony. You would need additional evidence of an intelligence in order to conclude one was involved.

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