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Author | Topic: Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..." | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Kleinman Member (Idle past 336 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:I have the physics and the math, that's all you need to understand the Kishony and Lenski experiments and descent with modification with and without competition. Kleinman:Here's where he acknowleged that he doesn't know why competition slows evolution in the paper he edited. Distribution of fixed beneficial mutations and the rate of adaptation in asexual populations When large asexual populations adapt, competition between simultaneously segregating mutations slows the rate of adaptation and restricts the set of mutations that eventually fix. This phenomenon of interference arises from competition between mutations of different strengths as well as competition between mutations that arise on different fitness backgrounds. Previous work has explored each of these effects in isolation, but the way they combine to influence the dynamics of adaptation remains largely unknown.
I explained to him just like I explained to you that competition slows descent with modification for all lineages because of the limited energy in the environment. Some lineages use energy but they go extinct but that also limits the most fit lineage from achieving the population necessary for an adaptive mutation to occur. Understand rubberband. Whether he acknowledges this first law of thermodynamics fact, you will have to ask him.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 336 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Dredge:Tany still has to learn the laws of thermodynamics and how to do math. He won't do that chasing bugs.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 336 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:He can call whomever he wants. If he doesn't want to understand his own experiment, that's his prerogative. He just doesn't understand the thermodynamics of his own experiment.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 336 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:Yeah, right, that's why Desai wrote: Phenotypic and molecular evolution across 10,000 generations in laboratory budding yeast populations As human health is increasingly threatened by emerging pathogens, multidrug-resistant infections, and therapy-evading cancer cells, our understanding of the dynamics and predictability of evolution is of growing importance. Yet predicting the course of evolution is difficult, since it is driven by a complex combination of deterministic and stochastic forces. On the one hand, beneficial mutations that establish within a population often rise to fixation at rates nearly perfectly predicted by decades-old theory. On the other hand, random forces such as mutation, genetic drift, and recombination ensure an enduring role for chance and contingency. To understand evolution, we must appreciate the interactions between these deterministic and stochastic components.
Yeah, right, you know how to explain the evolution of antibiotic resistance and why cancer treatments fail. I hope you like it dry, real dry.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 336 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Theodoric:How sad, and just when I thought you were going to explain the physics and mathematics of the Kishony and Lenski experiment. We'll miss your wisdom.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 336 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Theodoric:This must be one of your long, long, goodbyes. You really know how to explain the physics and mathematics of the Kishony and Lenski experiments and perhaps you will preside over the sixth extinction of EvC.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 336 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Theodoric:What discussion have I gotten from the mathematician that doesn't do the mathematics of biology? Zero. He knows nothing about the physics and mathematics of biological competition, descent with modification, and recombination. But he does know that reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals because a fossil told him.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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Yeah, right, you know how to explain ... Yes, we can. You can't. And none of it negates the fact you are a fraud, Kleinman. You say you corresponded with Lenski. Bring one of his responses here. Certainly you can manage a short cut-n-paste to this forum. No, no, don't do that. You already faked one of your supposed sources in this thread. Can't trust you not to fake another. You are a fraud, Kleinman.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 336 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:Sure you can, that's why you post all zero of these links that explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. You are the fraud and liar and I hope you like it dry, real dry.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
That is not what I said. That is what Dr. Lenski had to say about you. Seemingly your contacts have been borderline if not outright harassment. How many cease and desist orders have you received?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Taq Member Posts: 9975 Joined: Member Rating: 5.7 |
Kleinman writes: Yeah, your argument makes real sense, only 199,999 retroviral infections to go. And continuing with the lie. Go figure.
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Taq Member Posts: 9975 Joined: Member Rating: 5.7 |
Kleinman writes: Sure you can, that's why you post all zero of these links that explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. You ran away from all of the posts where I cited papers on the evolution of drug resistance.
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Taq Member Posts: 9975 Joined: Member Rating: 5.7
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Kleinman writes: What discussion have I gotten from the mathematician that doesn't do the mathematics of biology? Zero. He knows nothing about the physics and mathematics of biological competition, descent with modification, and recombination. But he does know that reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals because a fossil told him. So says the person who got the math wrong. You falsely concluded that the fixation rate is the same as the rate of adaptive mutations. Let's not even get into your inane lies about the addition rule. You also can't get simple math right, such as your claim that it takes 1E9 replications to get an adaptive mutation but it only took 1E7 replications in the Lederberg experiment.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 336 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Theodoric:This must be a long, long, long goodbye. No cease and desist disorders and Lenski doesn't understand the thermodynamics of his own experiment. Lenski can say whatever he wants but he doesn't understand why competition slows descent with modification (until I explained it to him).
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 336 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:So when is the brilliant virologist going to give us our next Covid. Another harmless viral infection but this one was created by brilliant virologists. You are an idiot that harms people with your stupidity.
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