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candle2
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Message 901 of 963 (902314)
11-21-2022 3:05 PM
Reply to: Message 900 by PaulK
11-21-2022 2:16 PM


Re: Any corroborating evidence?
Paulk, you don't have the guts to put forth your case for
the crossing to be at the Sea of Reeds, or for Mount
Sinai to be in Egypt.
I have never debated such a timid and insecure person in
my entire life.
I don't believe that you know what you think. Whatever it is,
you lack the ability to defend it.
In fact, you lack the ability to even state it.

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PaulK
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Message 902 of 963 (902316)
11-21-2022 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 901 by candle2
11-21-2022 3:05 PM


Re: Any corroborating evidence?
quote:
Paulk, you don't have the guts to put forth your case for
the crossing to be at the Sea of Reeds, or for Mount
Sinai to be in Egypt.
Wrong. I don’t really care about either of those so I haven’t investigated them. My point is that the claims for Nuweiba are bunk created by an ignorant fraud. Which I have been arguing fro.
And I know that quite well because it’s been discussed here.
quote:
I have never debated such a timid and insecure person in
my entire life.

I don't believe that you know what you think. Whatever it is,
you lack the ability to defend it.

In fact, you lack the ability to even state it.
Which is clearly your ignorance at work.
Or perhaps your anger at the fact that your “evidence” has turned out to be crap because you were too lazy to do any real research or examine any side but the fraudulent Ron Wyatt’s.

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candle2
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Message 903 of 963 (902326)
11-21-2022 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 902 by PaulK
11-21-2022 3:12 PM


Re: Any corroborating evidence?
Paulk, I have never debated such a timid person. One who
is so completely unsure of what he believes.
The truth of the matter is that you have no idea about
how to interpret what the Bible says about the Red Sea
crossing or Mt. Sinai.
You have not disproved anything I've said. No even close.
On top of that, you run when confronted about your own
Interpretation of the events.
I am not angry. I am merely disappointed in your lack
of cognitive reasoning.
I think you have it in your mind where the events
happened. You have a strong opinion.
I also believe that you lack the confidence in yourself
To defend your position.
You are timid in this respect.

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AZPaul3
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Message 904 of 963 (902345)
11-21-2022 7:38 PM
Reply to: Message 903 by candle2
11-21-2022 5:05 PM


Re: Any corroborating evidence?
You have not disproved anything I've said. No even close.
We don't have to. The burden of proof is on you. You have no actual evidence.
You still haven't provided any evidence of your NASA surveillance fiction. Message 840
You know you can't provide any. It is a lie.
You lied to us on this NASA stuff. And your biblical interpretations really suck.
Why should anyone give you any credence on this exodus fiction at all?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Theodoric
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Message 905 of 963 (902346)
11-21-2022 7:44 PM
Reply to: Message 903 by candle2
11-21-2022 5:05 PM


Let's start simple
Provide evidence of the coral encrusted chariot wheels and the golden wheel.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 906 of 963 (902347)
11-21-2022 7:58 PM
Reply to: Message 903 by candle2
11-21-2022 5:05 PM


Next
Explain how a gold chariot wheel would function?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 907 of 963 (902348)
11-21-2022 8:03 PM
Reply to: Message 905 by Theodoric
11-21-2022 7:44 PM


Re: Let's start simple
Were Chariot Wheels Found at the Bottom of the Red Sea? | Snopes.com

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 908 of 963 (902349)
11-21-2022 8:52 PM
Reply to: Message 907 by Theodoric
11-21-2022 8:03 PM


Re: Let's start simple
And your point is?
Oh, yeah, that candle2's sources are lying out of their asses.
 
But he's a creationist quoting creationists.
Oh yeah, they're all lying out of their asses.
It's what creationists do all the time, after all.

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PaulK
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Message 909 of 963 (902350)
11-22-2022 12:23 AM
Reply to: Message 903 by candle2
11-21-2022 5:05 PM


Re: Any corroborating evidence?
quote:
Paulk, I have never debated such a timid person. One who
is so completely unsure of what he believes.
What a stupid lie.
quote:
The truth of the matter is that you have no idea about
how to interpret what the Bible says about the Red Sea
crossing or Mt. Sinai.
And another one.
quote:
You have not disproved anything I've said. No even close.
You know I admit that I haven’t done much - just more than you. And quite sufficient to address your nonsense.
quote:
On top of that, you run when confronted about your own
Interpretation of the events.
The actual events - if there were any - are long lost to us. The story is a long way from reality. I haven’t run from that at all.
If you want an example of somebody actually running, your retreat from the carbon dating discussion will do nicely. Lying didn’t work there, either, did it?
quote:
I am not angry. I am merely disappointed in your lack
of cognitive reasoning
In other words you are angry that I dare to reason rather than mindlesssly worshipping falsehood like you.
quote:
I think you have it in your mind where the events
happened. You have a strong opinion.
Well, you think wrongly, I very much doubt that there was an actual event,
quote:
I also believe that you lack the confidence in yourself
To defend your position.

You are timid in this respect
No, you don’t. You’re just lying because your claims have been exposed as false. You never had “overwhelming evidence” or even evidence worth speaking of, You’ve never done any real research on the matter. You’ve never looked at the opposition. You don’t even dare mention Ron Wyatt’s name although he is the originator of these ideas.

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ringo
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Message 910 of 963 (902360)
11-22-2022 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 901 by candle2
11-21-2022 3:05 PM


Re: Any corroborating evidence?
candle2 writes:
Paulk, you don't have the guts to put forth your case for
the crossing to be at the Sea of Reeds, or for Mount
Sinai to be in Egypt.
The possibilities are:
1. They crossed at Nuweiba.
2. They crossed somewhere else.
3. They never crossed at all.
If they never crossed at all - i.e. if the whole story is fiction, then your "evidence" is irrelevant. Fiction writers often describe places they have never been and those descriptions may coincidentally resemble actual places. That doesn't make the stories true.
Ron Wyatt reminds me of Constantine's mother, who went arount the Holy Land saying, "This must be part of the True Cross," and, "This must be where Jesus' tomb was." It's all just the fancies of a wild imagination.
Ron Wyatt's "evidence" has never been examined scientifically. Much of it has been supposedly "lost" and con not be confirmed. Yet the conclusions he made linger.
Only a True Believer would give any weight to his musings.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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PaulK
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Message 911 of 963 (902361)
11-22-2022 11:19 AM
Reply to: Message 910 by ringo
11-22-2022 11:05 AM


Re: Any corroborating evidence?
quote:
The possibilities are:
1. They crossed at Nuweiba.
2. They crossed somewhere else.
3. They never crossed at all.
candle2 obviously wants to rubbish the alternative sites, although he hasn’t exactly managed to provide valid criticisms.
But that won’t make Nuweiba any better. Since Nuweiba isn’t really viable as a crossing site, such a tactic can only reinforce the third option - they didn’t cross at all - as the correct conclusion.
His idea of “cognitive reasoning” apparently misses that fact.

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Message 912 of 963 (902366)
11-22-2022 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 910 by ringo
11-22-2022 11:05 AM


Re: Any corroborating evidence?
ringo writes:
Ron Wyatt reminds me of Constantine's mother, who went arount the Holky Land saying, "This must be part of the True Cross," and, "This must be where Jesus' tomb was." It's all just the fancies of a wild imagination
Or just outright scams.
quote:
One of the individuals who I interviewed, who lost approximately 30,000 thousand dollars to Ron Wyatt, went to Israel with him, supposedly to see some of these sights and record them on film. An assignment editor of a major television station in Nasheville went with them. Not only did this individual not see any of these incredible discoveries, but his wife was told by one of Ron Wyatt's sons that the chariot wheels that Ron supposedly discovered in the Gulf of Aqaba were planted there by Ron. Mr. Wyatt gave this couple some coins which he supposedly found at the Ark of the Covenant site. Again, one of Wyatt's sons informed the wife that Wyatt bought those coins. Gentle, soft-spoken Ron verbally abused an Arab car rental agent when the agent told Mr. Wyatt that his son was to young to drive the vehicle.
This couple and the television man returned with nothing to show for the ten's of thousands of dollars he gave to Ron. Later, Ron returned and asked for $10,000 dollars more. This man told Ron he would give him the money if he agreed to take a lie detector test and sign a statement agreeing to allow this man to use the results of the test any way he wanted. Ron tried to get the money without agreeing to take the test, but when he saw that he would not get another dime without the test, he finally signed the statement and took the test. In the words of the man who put Ron Wyatt through the test, as told by the man who gave Ron Wyatt all the previous money, "He failed just about everything except his name."
After this, Ron Wyatt physically threatened the man who had Wyatt sign the statement. I also found out one of the so-called scientific apparatuses Ron Wyatt used to determine that he verified the true Noah's Ark, was a device advertised in the back of treasure hunter magazines. It was nothing but a glorified "divining rod." It had absolutely no scientific value whatsoever, yet leading ancient antiquities professors, Creation Science people with advanced degrees in geology, and newsmen fell for a modern version of the old water "divining rod."
A Great Christian Scam

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candle2
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Message 913 of 963 (902578)
11-25-2022 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 910 by ringo
11-22-2022 11:05 AM


Re: Any corroborating evidence?
Ringo, if someone does not believe that the Exodus
happened then they should just say so.
I was not debating whether the Exodus happened. I was
debating where it happened.
If someone does not believe the authority of the Bible
then there is nothing I can say to make them believe.
However, there is evidence that it did happen. And the
evidence is not at the Sea of Reeds. And it is not at St.
Catherine's Monastery.
Ron Wyatt is not the reason that I came to believe that
that the crossing was at Nuweiba Beach.
NASA's report of the "thin red line" in the early 90's is
what convinced me. This was the first time that I took
a serious look at the route of the Exodus.
NASA, under pressure to be politically correct, deleted
a portion of the story. They also deleted the images of
the "thin red line."
Do I think that there are coral encrusted object that fit
the outline of chariot wheels at Nueweiba Beach?
Yes, several individuals have published photos of them.
Do I believe that much of the evidence at Jebel al Lawz
exists?
Yes. A number of individual have seen and
photographed the evidence.
Even without the physical evidence the Bible tells us
enough to locate the crossing site.

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Theodoric
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Message 914 of 963 (902590)
11-25-2022 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 913 by candle2
11-25-2022 1:10 PM


Re: Any corroborating evidence?
Ron Wyatt is not the reason that I came to believe that
that the crossing was at Nuweiba Beach.
Is was a known liar and scam artist. There is evidence to support this. He never provided any evidence. No one has seen any chariot wheels there. There are huge scientific issues with the concept of coral encrusted chariot wheels and a golden wheel. Still waiting for an explanation of the functionality of a golden chariot wheel.
NASA's report of the "thin red line" in the early 90's is
what convinced me. This was the first time that I took
a serious look at the route of the Exodus.
this does not exist. It is not true. It is a lie.
Yes, several individuals have published photos of them.
Why then have they not been retrieved and examines. More lies.
Do I believe that much of the evidence at Jebel al Lawz
exists?

Yes. A number of individual have seen and
photographed the evidence.
Random photos are not evidence. Evidence needs to be subjected to scientific rigor. If they were true they would have been verified.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Phat
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Message 915 of 963 (902591)
11-25-2022 2:00 PM
Reply to: Message 913 by candle2
11-25-2022 1:10 PM


Re: Any corroborating evidence?
candle2 writes:
NASA, under pressure to be politically correct, deleted
a portion of the story. They also deleted the images of
the "thin red line."
My only question is what on earth does "politics" have to do with any scientific evidence?

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