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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
Why don't science deniers like creationists and flat-earthers produce any scientific breakthroughs? It seems that accepting the science HELPS. Why do you need to believe that all life shares a common ancestor to examine and compare the DNA of humans and other animals?Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
That's the Number One excuse in the anti-science Prayer Book: "I didn't refute your comment because it was off-topic/irrelevant/previously-discussed, etc." If you can refute, refute - and let the admins decide whether you're off-topic.
I didn't refute your comment coz - as usual - it was kinda irrelevant to the discussion. Dredge writes:
Your displays of "scientific knowledge" match your IQ of 9. I understand why you consider my pearls of wisdom and astonishingdisplays of scientific knowledge to be "bs"... Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
Which treatment of which disease has been developed by creationists denying "the fact of UCD", and why? Which treatment of which disease could not have been developed without accepting "the fact of UCD", and why?Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
No. YOU made the claim that UCD is not necessary for [blah blah blah]. YOU are the one who has to back up that claim. You made the claim, so the onus is on YOU to provide evidence that supports it. UCD is the default position in all science. It is ridiculous to demand that anybody "back it up".Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
Of course you are. You are repeatedly asking for evidence that UCD is necessary. I'm not demanding that anyone "back up" UCD.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
So if your DNA and your cousin's DNA are similar, that isn't because you have the same grandfather? Finding model animals with similar DNA to humans doesn't require the theory of UCD. ABE
Dredge writes:
But they DON't. Science-deniers DON'T make scientific discoveries. A scientist who rejects UCD could find model animals with similar DNA to humans just as competently as a scientist who accepts UCD.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dwise1 writes:
For Dredge's benefit (though he probably won't understand it): We assume that the wheel we already invented will still work. Having to reinvent the wheel every time you need to use one is utterly stupid.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
The explanation is the same as for the miracle of Frodo destroying the One Ring. I also accept that science cannot explain the miracle of God's creation...Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
You sound like a baby who's fascinated by the mobile above his crib. That's fascinating. Mind you, his IQ is higher than yours.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
I gave you that way, way, way, way back: Cow and pig insulin. It wasn't a creationist who thought of that. Somebody who knew about UCD said, "Hmm... maybe we can get a donations from our cousins the cows and pigs." ... it's about a practical use in medical science or biology for the theory of UCD.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
An IQ of 9 would suggest that YOU are the one with a lack of discernment, an inability to learn and an on-going struggle with cognitive dissonance. ... an APauling testament to your lack of discernment, your inability to learn and your on-going struggle with cognitive dissonance. You really should never have admitted to being so stupid. It colors everything you say.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
Isn't it about time YOU admitted the obvious ... that YOU are in no position to call anybody "retarded"? Isn't it about time you admitted the obvious ... that you're even more retarded than I am? Seriously, if you had any self-respect, you'd turn red and slink away in shame. Feel free to come back in a month or so with the same stupid ideas. That's the way of the creationist. Just don't admit to being stupid next time. Let your stupid ideas speak for themselves.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
That's like saying there was no "need" for the right brothers to fly into the wind at Kitty Hawk. Maybe not but that's what happened. And the first to fly WASN'T a creationist trying to fly with the wind behind him.
No need to be a UCD-believing Darwinoid to think of using cow and pig insulin in humans. Dredge writes:
Which creationists don't have. A little common sense would tell you that you're related to your cousins because you all have the same grandfather. There is no way to be related without a common ancestor.
All one needs is a big of common sense ... Dredge writes:
It is pretty basic. So answer the question that I keep asking you: Why did no creationist ever think of it before Darwin was even born? ... as in "Golly gee whiz, since humans are mammals, maybe insulin from other mammals - such as cows and pigs - will work in humans. Let's try it." A pretty basic idea, really. Edited by ringo, : Elaboration, expansion, clarification. Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
All we can know is what you tell us. And you keep saying things like, ".. an atheist claiming to know that God had no reason to create a nested hierarchy..." Do you think I take the Genesis account of creation literally? You seem to believe in God, and you admit to being Catholic, and you take stupid creationist positions, so it's reasonable assumption that you're a stupid creationist who believes the Genesis account.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
And you didn't answer mine: Why don't science deniers like creationists and flat-earthers produce any scientific breakthroughs?
You didn't answer my question. Dredge writes:
Not hardly.
The greatest scientist in history - Isaac Newton... Dredge writes:
But he didn't deny evolution - or any other science. He said that he had accomplished what he did because he stood on the shoulders of giant - and if Darwin had been alive at the time, Newton would most likely have recognized him as one of those giants. ... was a creationist. You, unlike Newton, denigrate science and scientists every chance you get.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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