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ringo
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Message 1120 of 1429 (902283)
11-21-2022 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 1113 by Dredge
11-19-2022 12:51 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
Why do you need to believe that all life shares a common ancestor to examine and compare the DNA of humans and other animals?
Why don't science deniers like creationists and flat-earthers produce any scientific breakthroughs? It seems that accepting the science HELPS.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1121 of 1429 (902284)
11-21-2022 11:30 AM
Reply to: Message 1117 by Dredge
11-19-2022 10:44 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
I didn't refute your comment coz - as usual - it was kinda irrelevant to the discussion.
That's the Number One excuse in the anti-science Prayer Book: "I didn't refute your comment because it was off-topic/irrelevant/previously-discussed, etc." If you can refute, refute - and let the admins decide whether you're off-topic.
Dredge writes:
I understand why you consider my pearls of wisdom and astonishing
displays of scientific knowledge to be "bs"...
Your displays of "scientific knowledge" match your IQ of 9.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 1145 of 1429 (902499)
11-24-2022 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 1134 by Dredge
11-23-2022 3:37 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
Which treatment of which disease could not have been developed without accepting "the fact of UCD", and why?
Which treatment of which disease has been developed by creationists denying "the fact of UCD", and why?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 1146 of 1429 (902501)
11-24-2022 11:33 AM
Reply to: Message 1139 by Dredge
11-23-2022 6:22 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
You made the claim, so the onus is on YOU to provide evidence that supports it.
No. YOU made the claim that UCD is not necessary for [blah blah blah]. YOU are the one who has to back up that claim.
UCD is the default position in all science. It is ridiculous to demand that anybody "back it up".

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 1152 of 1429 (902558)
11-25-2022 11:22 AM
Reply to: Message 1147 by Dredge
11-25-2022 2:23 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
I'm not demanding that anyone "back up" UCD.
Of course you are. You are repeatedly asking for evidence that UCD is necessary.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1153 of 1429 (902559)
11-25-2022 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 1148 by Dredge
11-25-2022 2:37 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
Finding model animals with similar DNA to humans doesn't require the theory of UCD.
So if your DNA and your cousin's DNA are similar, that isn't because you have the same grandfather?
ABE
Dredge writes:
A scientist who rejects UCD could find model animals with similar DNA to humans just as competently as a scientist who accepts UCD.
But they DON't. Science-deniers DON'T make scientific discoveries.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1163 of 1429 (902667)
11-26-2022 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 1158 by dwise1
11-26-2022 12:39 AM


Re: UCD evidence
dwise1 writes:
Having to reinvent the wheel every time you need to use one is utterly stupid.
For Dredge's benefit (though he probably won't understand it): We assume that the wheel we already invented will still work.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1169 of 1429 (902777)
11-27-2022 2:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1164 by Dredge
11-26-2022 11:31 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
I also accept that science cannot explain the miracle of God's creation...
The explanation is the same as for the miracle of Frodo destroying the One Ring.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1197 of 1429 (903162)
12-05-2022 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1171 by Dredge
11-28-2022 2:19 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
That's fascinating.
You sound like a baby who's fascinated by the mobile above his crib.
Mind you, his IQ is higher than yours.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1210 of 1429 (903217)
12-06-2022 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 1200 by Dredge
12-05-2022 7:17 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
... it's about a practical use in medical science or biology for the theory of UCD.
I gave you that way, way, way, way back: Cow and pig insulin. It wasn't a creationist who thought of that. Somebody who knew about UCD said, "Hmm... maybe we can get a donations from our cousins the cows and pigs."

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1211 of 1429 (903218)
12-06-2022 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 1203 by Dredge
12-06-2022 5:06 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
... an APauling testament to your lack of discernment, your inability to learn and your on-going struggle with cognitive dissonance.
An IQ of 9 would suggest that YOU are the one with a lack of discernment, an inability to learn and an on-going struggle with cognitive dissonance.
You really should never have admitted to being so stupid. It colors everything you say.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1215 of 1429 (903223)
12-06-2022 12:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1213 by Dredge
12-06-2022 12:07 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
Isn't it about time you admitted the obvious ... that you're even more retarded than I am?
Isn't it about time YOU admitted the obvious ... that YOU are in no position to call anybody "retarded"?
Seriously, if you had any self-respect, you'd turn red and slink away in shame.
Feel free to come back in a month or so with the same stupid ideas. That's the way of the creationist. Just don't admit to being stupid next time. Let your stupid ideas speak for themselves.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1217 of 1429 (903225)
12-06-2022 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 1214 by Dredge
12-06-2022 12:20 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
No need to be a UCD-believing Darwinoid to think of using cow and pig insulin in humans.
That's like saying there was no "need" for the right brothers to fly into the wind at Kitty Hawk. Maybe not but that's what happened. And the first to fly WASN'T a creationist trying to fly with the wind behind him.
Dredge writes:
All one needs is a big of common sense ...
Which creationists don't have. A little common sense would tell you that you're related to your cousins because you all have the same grandfather. There is no way to be related without a common ancestor.
Dredge writes:
... as in "Golly gee whiz, since humans are mammals, maybe insulin from other mammals - such as cows and pigs - will work in humans. Let's try it." A pretty basic idea, really.
It is pretty basic. So answer the question that I keep asking you: Why did no creationist ever think of it before Darwin was even born?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1250 of 1429 (903297)
12-08-2022 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 1220 by Dredge
12-06-2022 11:59 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
Do you think I take the Genesis account of creation literally?
All we can know is what you tell us. And you keep saying things like, ".. an atheist claiming to know that God had no reason to create a nested hierarchy..."
You seem to believe in God, and you admit to being Catholic, and you take stupid creationist positions, so it's reasonable assumption that you're a stupid creationist who believes the Genesis account.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1251 of 1429 (903298)
12-08-2022 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 1223 by Dredge
12-07-2022 12:31 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
You didn't answer my question.
And you didn't answer mine: Why don't science deniers like creationists and flat-earthers produce any scientific breakthroughs?
Dredge writes:
The greatest scientist in history - Isaac Newton...
Not hardly.
Dredge writes:
... was a creationist.
But he didn't deny evolution - or any other science. He said that he had accomplished what he did because he stood on the shoulders of giant - and if Darwin had been alive at the time, Newton would most likely have recognized him as one of those giants.
You, unlike Newton, denigrate science and scientists every chance you get.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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