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Topic: Coffee House Musings on Creationist Topic Proposals
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 988 of 1429 (900932)
11-02-2022 3:06 PM
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Reply to: Message 980 by Dredge
11-01-2022 3:16 PM
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Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes: My argument is very simple and straightforward. Why don't you understand it?
Because YOU don't understand it.
Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 995 of 1429 (900986)
11-03-2022 12:01 PM
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Reply to: Message 994 by Dredge
11-03-2022 11:34 AM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes: It's because mammals are closer GENETICALLY ... a fact that exists REGARDLESS of the theory of UCD.
Why do you think my DNA is similar to my grandfather's DNA? Why do you think my DNA is similar to my cousin's DNA?
Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 994 by Dredge, posted 11-03-2022 11:34 AM | | Dredge has replied |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 996 by Dredge, posted 11-03-2022 12:54 PM | | ringo has replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 998 of 1429 (900992)
11-03-2022 12:59 PM
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Reply to: Message 996 by Dredge
11-03-2022 12:54 PM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes: How are your questions relevant to my argument?
What argument? All you have is denial. If you thought about the questions, you might figure out why your denial is so silly. Hint: similar DNA --> common ancestor.
Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 996 by Dredge, posted 11-03-2022 12:54 PM | | Dredge has replied |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 1000 by Dredge, posted 11-03-2022 1:55 PM | | ringo has replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1026 of 1429 (901066)
11-04-2022 11:39 AM
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Reply to: Message 1000 by Dredge
11-03-2022 1:55 PM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes: Your comment proves that you don't understand my argument ... as simple as it is.
Your evasion suggests that YOU can't explain it.
Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 1000 by Dredge, posted 11-03-2022 1:55 PM | | Dredge has replied |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 1029 by Dredge, posted 11-04-2022 11:45 AM | | ringo has replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1028 of 1429 (901068)
11-04-2022 11:45 AM
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Reply to: Message 1006 by Dredge
11-03-2022 8:02 PM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes: The reason mammals are genetically closer to humans is because of similarities in DNA. Period.
And there are similarities in their DNA because they are related. Period.
Dredge writes: If you don't believe evolution created the genetic similarities, what effect will that have on those genetic similarities?
If you don't believe the earth is round, what effect will that have on the shape of the earth? None. But it will reveal you as an idiot.
Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 1006 by Dredge, posted 11-03-2022 8:02 PM | | Dredge has not replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1030 of 1429 (901070)
11-04-2022 11:48 AM
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Reply to: Message 1023 by Dredge
11-04-2022 11:26 AM
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Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes: our "nuts and bolts" analogy is stupid and meaningless ... not to mention, stale. It's a sad reflection of your below-average intelligence. ​ Never mention it again.
It's an excellent analogy and you have no intelligent comeback.
Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 1023 by Dredge, posted 11-04-2022 11:26 AM | | Dredge has not replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1031 of 1429 (901072)
11-04-2022 11:49 AM
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Reply to: Message 1029 by Dredge
11-04-2022 11:45 AM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes: What "evasion"?
Your refusal to explain your own "argument".
Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 1029 by Dredge, posted 11-04-2022 11:45 AM | | Dredge has not replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1050 of 1429 (901150)
11-05-2022 12:52 PM
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Reply to: Message 1049 by Phat
11-05-2022 11:44 AM
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Re: If Spideys Exist
Phat writes: God could actually exist, in which case no amount of science, philosophy, or supposed human evidence could wave Him away.
The earth could be flat, in which case no amount of science, philosophy, or supposed human evidence could wave Him away. Wrong, obviously. The existence of something IS a little different. Unicorns could actually exist, in which case no amount of science, philosophy, or supposed human evidence could wave them away. But if there is no evidence that unicorns exist, they are irrelevant for any practical purpose.
Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 1049 by Phat, posted 11-05-2022 11:44 AM | | Phat has replied |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 1071 by Phat, posted 11-07-2022 7:26 AM | | ringo has replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1074 of 1429 (901246)
11-07-2022 10:45 AM
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Reply to: Message 1071 by Phat
11-07-2022 7:26 AM
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Re: If Spideys Exist
Phat writes: Of course, your analogy is misleading and irrelevant.
Which means you can't come up with an actual objection to it.
Phat writes: What's your point? We can measure the earth. We can observe it from space. Flatness is not an option. How does this relate to my assertion?
It's the same as your assertion. Your god could hypothetically exist - but without evidence that he does exist, he's irrelevant. To be relevant, there has to be evidence of exixtence.
Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 1071 by Phat, posted 11-07-2022 7:26 AM | | Phat has not replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1076 of 1429 (901248)
11-07-2022 10:50 AM
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Reply to: Message 1053 by Dredge
11-05-2022 6:44 PM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes: Likewise, if no one accepted Universal Common Descent, those genetic similarities would still exist, right?
If we discovered genetics, it would be impossible not to conclude Universal Common Descent.
Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 1053 by Dredge, posted 11-05-2022 6:44 PM | | Dredge has not replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1079 of 1429 (901252)
11-07-2022 11:00 AM
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Reply to: Message 1060 by Dredge
11-06-2022 11:35 AM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes: Darwinist assume UCD is a fact....
1. Get out of the nineteenth century. Talking about "Darwinists" just makes you look foolish. 2. Yes, assumptions are treated as fact because they are thoroughly tested.
Dredge writes: The fact that all life contains DNA is all the genetic evidence a Darwinist need...
1. Get out of the nineteenth century. Talking about "Darwinists" just makes you look foolish. 2. The fact that all DNA is related is the evidence that all life is related.
Dredge writes: ... which makes a farce of the concept of nested hierarchies based on genetics, I should think.
You should think. If you did, you would realize that there's a LOT you don't know - and the idea that YOU know better than every biologist on earth is just laughable.
Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 1060 by Dredge, posted 11-06-2022 11:35 AM | | Dredge has not replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1080 of 1429 (901253)
11-07-2022 11:04 AM
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Reply to: Message 1062 by Dredge
11-06-2022 11:56 AM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes: Btw, I'm still waiting for your response to Message 1056.
I answered that question a long time ago. If medical science coulda/woulda/shoulda made all kinds of discoveries without depending on UCD, why haven't creationists made any discoveries based on their denial of UCD?
Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 1062 by Dredge, posted 11-06-2022 11:56 AM | | Dredge has not replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1099 of 1429 (902097)
11-17-2022 1:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 1095 by Dredge
11-15-2022 2:31 PM
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Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes: Medical research that fails to produce an improvement in the treatment of disease is a useless failure ...
And you keep getting stupider and stupider. Did you think at all before you bleated out that stupidity? When a program of research "fails" to produce a miracle cure, how can you possibly know what offshoots might come from that research? Do you think the researchers just burn their notebooks and go home? All science is built on what came before.
Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 1095 by Dredge, posted 11-15-2022 2:31 PM | | Dredge has not replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1110 of 1429 (902210)
11-19-2022 10:56 AM
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Reply to: Message 1108 by Dredge
11-18-2022 4:04 PM
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Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes: The history of how they came to genetically and physiologically similar to humans is irrelevant to their utility.
And the history of how YOU came to be genetically and physiologically similar to your grandmother is irrelevant too?
Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 1108 by Dredge, posted 11-18-2022 4:04 PM | | Dredge has replied |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 1111 by Dredge, posted 11-19-2022 12:41 PM | | ringo has replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1119 of 1429 (902282)
11-21-2022 11:21 AM
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Reply to: Message 1111 by Dredge
11-19-2022 12:41 PM
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Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes: I'm talking about the history of UCD - history that goes back millions-billions of years.
You're talking nonsense. Species are genetically and physiologically similar because they have a common ancestor. Dinosaurs and birds are genetically and physiologically similar because they have a common ancestor.
Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 1111 by Dredge, posted 11-19-2022 12:41 PM | | Dredge has not replied |
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