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Message 830 of 1864 (901275)
11-07-2022 4:02 PM
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11-07-2022 12:01 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big
There is no Solomonic gate. The gate at Gezer dates to a much later time period. I have actually been there. It is a cool site.
Who is the Atheist in your mind?
Dever is the only atheist in that group
The jury is not out about your "sacred" books being accurate historically. They are not. Biblical archaeology was like creation science. There was a conclusion they wanted to reach and they searched for evidence to support it. Discounting anything that did not meet the narrative. In the last 40 years, the biblical aspect has been subsumed and has had less and less of an influence on modern scholars. Now they analyze the data and let it lead them to a conclusion. The conclusion does not support your books of mythology. If it did, then there would be published research showing this.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 836 of 1864 (901581)
11-11-2022 8:58 PM
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11-11-2022 3:45 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big
There is no evidence. If there was you would present it.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 841 of 1864 (901600)
11-12-2022 10:40 PM
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11-12-2022 6:00 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big
No. It is not true. If it were you would provide evidence.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 870 of 1864 (902045)
11-16-2022 9:44 PM
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11-16-2022 7:32 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big
the Saudi government has a fence around the area. It is
kept under guard, with signs in both Arabic and English
warning against entrance.
No they don't. It is not under guard.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 874 of 1864 (902116)
11-17-2022 6:16 PM
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11-17-2022 2:47 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big
If you had the evidence you would present it. You made the claim support it with evidence or withdraw the claim.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 877 of 1864 (902120)
11-17-2022 7:42 PM
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11-17-2022 6:59 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big
Present the map.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 880 of 1864 (902129)
11-18-2022 7:26 AM
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11-17-2022 6:59 PM


Names are proof of nothing
In our neghboring state there is a city named Minneapolis, that must be evidence that the Greeks settled that area.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 884 of 1864 (902233)
11-19-2022 4:43 PM
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11-19-2022 4:29 PM


Any corroborating evidence?
It never happened.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 888 of 1864 (902241)
11-19-2022 9:00 PM
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11-19-2022 7:21 PM


Re: Any corroborating evidence?
There is no evidence for it. I can not prove a negative. Provide actual evidence and I will reconsider. Until then it is all myth.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 889 of 1864 (902242)
11-19-2022 9:12 PM
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11-19-2022 7:21 PM


Re: Any corroborating evidence?
Or, simply admit that it is nothing more than the
musing of someone who is intellectually lazy.
I have been on archaeological digs in the "holy land". I have studied and worked under the guidance of Anson Rainey and Ze'ev Herzog. I have 6 books on Egyptian history in my book case. 10 on the bible and its historicity.
Intellectually lazy? Demanding actual evidence is lazy?
Back under your rock troll.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 892 of 1864 (902248)
11-20-2022 10:22 AM
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11-20-2022 2:50 AM


Re: Any corroborating evidence?
"Although he had never formally studied the Bible or archaeology,"
He was spouting his religion, not the scholarship.
The BAR is not a respected scholarly publication. No one in actual historical studies and archaeology ever gave a rat's ass about his opinion. Shanks did not "write an article" Herzog. It is a letter to the editor nothing more nothing less. It is a political screed without presenting any evidence of any kind to oppose Herzog's position. Scholarship and evidence have changed greatly in the 20+ years since Shanks wrote this(and in the 40 years since I have been to that part of the world) and while there has been no new evidence to support Shanks, there has been plenty to support Herzog.
Your post shows the ridiculousness and stupidity of the evangelical right. You think everyone is heavily influenced and parrots what they have read and been told(like you). True scholars(I am just a pale imitation of one) take in everything they have learned and come to a rational, logic-based conclusion. That conclusion is a moving target as there is always more evidence.
Herzog was not a mentor, but he was someone I did learn from. I mentioned him and Rainey solely to point out and refute the intellectually lazy comment from your coreligionist candle2.
Searching names in google is not detective work. A good detective actually reads what they find and examines the relevance.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 894 of 1864 (902255)
11-20-2022 3:04 PM
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11-20-2022 2:04 PM


Re: Any corroborating evidence?
You have presented absolutely no evidence just assertions. You are not debating you are preaching. Present the evidence if it exists. If not, move on.
Strop being a troll.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 896 of 1864 (902272)
11-21-2022 10:51 AM
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11-21-2022 10:05 AM


Re: Any corroborating evidence?
You have not presented evidence. You have asserted. Evidence is not the random screed of someone on the internet. It is showing the research and the data that supports your assertion. It is not up to us to try to find something that supports you or contradicts you.
Present the evidence or move along to someplace where evidence-free assertions are acceptable discourse.
Hitchens said it best
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.
ABE
None of your assertions are true. To start there are no coral-encrusted chariot wheels. There is no golden chariot wheel. Only a moron would make a chariot wheel out of gold. It would lose its shape in hours. A golden chariot wheel would be in a museum not in the sea. Why have no legitimate historians or archaeologists presented this evidence? Why are you such a troll?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 905 of 1864 (902346)
11-21-2022 7:44 PM
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11-21-2022 5:05 PM


Let's start simple
Provide evidence of the coral encrusted chariot wheels and the golden wheel.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 906 of 1864 (902347)
11-21-2022 7:58 PM
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11-21-2022 5:05 PM


Next
Explain how a gold chariot wheel would function?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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