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Message 867 of 1864 (902040)
11-16-2022 7:32 PM
Reply to: Message 850 by PaulK
11-14-2022 8:26 AM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big
Paulk, at Mount Sinai (Jabal al Lawz) we have the cave
of Elijah; altar of Moses; wells; golden calf altar; an old
stream that ran down: blackened top; 3000 graves
cemetary; lakebed; petroglyphs of bulls; and, Moses'
speaking platform located a little ways up the mountain.
The name for Moses in SA is Mousa and/or Mustafa.
Many places in that area was named after Mousa.
Jabal Mousa.
Valley of Mousa.
Well if Mousa.
Land of Mousa.
ETC.
the Saudi government has a fence around the area. It is
kept under guard, with signs in both Arabic and English
warning against entrance.
The Jihad and the Saudi's have no doubt that this was
the mountain of Moses (Mousa, Mustafa).
They say they want to preserve and protect such a high
religious site. They want to preserve it.
Their reasons for guarding the site might be true. However,
They might want to keep the fact that the Israelites
sojourned so long in their land a secret.
Now I want to hear all your evidence of St. Catherine
Monastery being on the so-called Mt. Sinai in the
Peninsula.

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Message 868 of 1864 (902041)
11-16-2022 7:37 PM
Reply to: Message 865 by PaulK
11-16-2022 4:59 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big
Paulk, if split rocks are not that rare, then it should be
quite simple for you to tell us about the one in the
Peninsula.
The one at Mount Sinai is big enough for a man to walk
though.

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Message 873 of 1864 (902101)
11-17-2022 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 870 by Theodoric
11-16-2022 9:44 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big
Theodoric, when I post something you can take it to
the bank.
I have shown ample evidence for my assertion. I have
not been shown one ounce of evidence by Paulk or you.
And I know why!
You don't have any.
What can be asserted without evidence
For example, life was created by complex chemically:
Can also be denied without evidence.

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Message 876 of 1864 (902119)
11-17-2022 6:59 PM
Reply to: Message 875 by Taq
11-17-2022 6:31 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big
Taq, Wyatt is just one of many who has come out with
such overwhelming evidence for the uweiba Beach
crossing.
Personally, I believe that only a nut would accept that
Moses parted the swamp of the Sea of Reeds. Or that
Mount Sinai is in the Egyptian Sinai without a single
Piece if evidence to support either.
Don't you agree?
An ancient Saudi map (look it up) identifies Nuweiba
Beach as Nuwayba' al Muzayyinah.
In other words, "Waters of Moses opening."
You believe what you believe without one ounce of proof.

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Message 883 of 1864 (902232)
11-19-2022 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 879 by PaulK
11-18-2022 12:33 AM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big
Paulk, I have more to post, but before I do, tell me if you
honestly believe the Pharoah's entire military drowned in
six inches of water?
On top of that, do you also believe that this six inches of
water so completely destroyed all evidence of the
Egyptian military that not a trace remained?
Have you not read that the Israelites traveled both day
and night? Yes, 24 hours a day.
The Israelites were super fit. The pillar of cloud protected
them from the sun during the day. The pillar of fire lit the
way for them at night.
The Israelites left Egypt on the 15th, the day after
Passover.
The days of unleavened bread lasts a week. We are not
sure of how many days they traveled before reaching
Etham. This was their first camp after Succoth.
The Israelites had plenty of time to reach Etham on the
far side of the wilderness.
You seem to think that the Israelites would travel a few
hours and camp, but this is completely opposite of what
the Bible tells us.
God, through Moses, had just defeated Egypt's ten most
revered gods with the ten plagues.
He gave the Israelites the power and stamina to travel
24 hours a day-for days in a row.
Moses stated that God carried them on eagle's wings.
Metaphorically he sustained them.
Access to Nuweiba from Etham is through the Wadi
watir (wadi valley).
Numbers 33 has the Israelites turning this way and that
in order to get to Nuweiba.
This perfectly describes what happens if one approaches
Nuweiba from the enterior. It forces one to change
direction and turn away from the direction of the camp
at Etham.

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Message 886 of 1864 (902237)
11-19-2022 6:00 PM
Reply to: Message 885 by PaulK
11-19-2022 4:56 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big
Paulk, do you believe that tens of thousands of Egyptian
Soldiers drowned in up to six inches of water?
Do you believe that the remains of all the soldiers, their
chariots, and horses vanished in ankle deep water and
left no trace whatsoever?
Do you believe that the few inches of water had the
Israelites boxed in?
Why didn't the Israelites go around the small body of
water?
Why didn't the Egyptians go around the small body of
water and head the Israelitesoff?
I'll be waiting for your answers.

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Message 887 of 1864 (902239)
11-19-2022 7:21 PM
Reply to: Message 884 by Theodoric
11-19-2022 4:43 PM


Re: Any corroborating evidence?
Theodiric, when you say that it never happened, you are
placing yourself in a position in which you are asserting
more than an opinion.
You are stating what you consider to be a fact.
Back this up.
Or, simply admit that it is nothing more than the
musing of someone who is intellectually lazy.
One other option is to admit that it is only your opinion
that it never happened.

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Message 893 of 1864 (902252)
11-20-2022 2:04 PM
Reply to: Message 892 by Theodoric
11-20-2022 10:22 AM


Re: Any corroborating evidence?
Theodoric, stop acting dumb. Anybody who cares about
an issue will examine it from all angles.
I allow the facts, the way that I interpret them, to shape
my beliefs.
And stop pretending that we so-called "right wing
Christians" are trying to FORCE you to think a certain
way.
I don't care how or what you think. And, you will not be
censored or sent to your room for not believing the way
that I do.
This is a discussion board. It is where we exchange ideas.
I have been presenting my evidence for the Red Sea
Crossing and for Mount Sinai being in Saudi Arabia.
You have presented nothing to show otherwise.
Saying it never happened is simply a cop out for the
intellectually lazy, such as yourself, Herzog, and Rainey.

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Message 895 of 1864 (902265)
11-21-2022 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 894 by Theodoric
11-20-2022 3:04 PM


Re: Any corroborating evidence?
Theodoric, I have presented evidence, and lots of it.
How did the coral encrusted chariot wheels, including
the golden chariot wheel, chariot axles, etc..., which fit
the ones in use by Egypt during the time of Moses, come
to be in the exact location where Moses parted the Red
Sea?
Numerous individuals, both male and female, have
provided photographic evidence of this.
Why is the top of Jabal al Lawz black, as though
blackened with fire and heat? When turned over the
rocks are brown-the same color as the other mountain
peaks?
The top of Mt. Sinai is evidence that God was indeed
over the mountain for an extended period of time.
Could there be another reason for this phenomenon?
Perhaps, but I highly doubt it. At least, it is evidence for
Moses being there.
There are two altars at this mountain. One fits the
description of Moses' altar. The other one could have
been built for the golden calf.
Does this prove they are the ones described in Exodus?
No. But at the very least, they are evidence for them
being there.
The petroglyphs of bulls on the rocks are not, excuse the
pun, rock solid evidence of the Israelites being there, bit it
is evidence that they could have been there.
The ancient cemetery close to the mountain is large
enough to contain 3000 graves (the number of deaths
reported by Exodus.
This does not prove that the cemetery contain the 3000
dead Israelites, but it is evidence.
The cave on Jabal al Lawz might or might not have been
the cave that Elijah stayed in, but it is evidence.
The valley at Jabal al Lawz covers an expanse of 10,000
acres. Does this prove that the Israelites sojourned there?
No, but it is evidence that there was room enough to
accommodate them.
Psalm 77:19 "Thy way is in the sea, and thy path in the
great waters, and thy footsteps are not known."
How would people from over 3000 years ago know that
there was a natural crossing path under the sea between
Nuweiba and SA?
The path is composed of sand. There is no mud in which
to bog them down.
Does this prove they crossed there? No, but it is strong
evidence that David was aware of this thirty centuries
ago.
There is much more evidence for Moses and the crossing
of the Red Sea than there is that life began by a complex
chemical reaction-which scientists cannot duplicate today.
You are going to believe what you believe, evidence or not.

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Message 899 of 1864 (902307)
11-21-2022 1:48 PM
Reply to: Message 897 by PaulK
11-21-2022 11:41 AM


Re: Any corroborating evidence?
Paulk, more evidence that Moses the Red Sea at
Nuweiba Beach.
Numbers 33: 7-8 "And they removed from Etham, and
turned unto Pi-Hahiroth, which is before (facing)
Ba-al-Zephon: and they camped before (facing) Migdol.
And they departed from before Pi-Hahiroth (now they are
facing away from Pi-Hahiroth, and moving towards Baal-
Zephon, on the SA side of the Sea) and passed through
the midst of the Sea.
Migdol refers to a tower; a lookout; a fort; or a vantage
point in the foothills of the wadi watir that leads to
Nuweiba Beach.
Egyptian sources describe there being such a vantage
point (fortress) on the Egyptian's north-east border.
Nuweiba Beach / Pi-Hahiroth is also located on the
North-East border.
Pi-Hahiroth comes from "Peh" meaning mouth. And
"Chowr" meaning cavity, gorges, cave, and hole.
Pi-Hahiroth simply means "Mouth of the gorges."
George's refers to a narrow valley between hills or
mountains, typically with steep rocky walls, and oftentimes
with a stream running through.
This fits perfectly with being on Nuweiba Beach and
looking up through the Wadi watir.
Baal was linked to a midianite site of worship to the god
Baal of Zephon, in present day SA, directly across from
Nuweiba, about four miles from the Red Sea at
Saraf al-Bal.
Ball was a supposedly powerful god of the Canaanites
and SA. Baal was not the God of the Egyotians.

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Message 901 of 1864 (902314)
11-21-2022 3:05 PM
Reply to: Message 900 by PaulK
11-21-2022 2:16 PM


Re: Any corroborating evidence?
Paulk, you don't have the guts to put forth your case for
the crossing to be at the Sea of Reeds, or for Mount
Sinai to be in Egypt.
I have never debated such a timid and insecure person in
my entire life.
I don't believe that you know what you think. Whatever it is,
you lack the ability to defend it.
In fact, you lack the ability to even state it.

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Message 903 of 1864 (902326)
11-21-2022 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 902 by PaulK
11-21-2022 3:12 PM


Re: Any corroborating evidence?
Paulk, I have never debated such a timid person. One who
is so completely unsure of what he believes.
The truth of the matter is that you have no idea about
how to interpret what the Bible says about the Red Sea
crossing or Mt. Sinai.
You have not disproved anything I've said. No even close.
On top of that, you run when confronted about your own
Interpretation of the events.
I am not angry. I am merely disappointed in your lack
of cognitive reasoning.
I think you have it in your mind where the events
happened. You have a strong opinion.
I also believe that you lack the confidence in yourself
To defend your position.
You are timid in this respect.

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Message 913 of 1864 (902578)
11-25-2022 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 910 by ringo
11-22-2022 11:05 AM


Re: Any corroborating evidence?
Ringo, if someone does not believe that the Exodus
happened then they should just say so.
I was not debating whether the Exodus happened. I was
debating where it happened.
If someone does not believe the authority of the Bible
then there is nothing I can say to make them believe.
However, there is evidence that it did happen. And the
evidence is not at the Sea of Reeds. And it is not at St.
Catherine's Monastery.
Ron Wyatt is not the reason that I came to believe that
that the crossing was at Nuweiba Beach.
NASA's report of the "thin red line" in the early 90's is
what convinced me. This was the first time that I took
a serious look at the route of the Exodus.
NASA, under pressure to be politically correct, deleted
a portion of the story. They also deleted the images of
the "thin red line."
Do I think that there are coral encrusted object that fit
the outline of chariot wheels at Nueweiba Beach?
Yes, several individuals have published photos of them.
Do I believe that much of the evidence at Jebel al Lawz
exists?
Yes. A number of individual have seen and
photographed the evidence.
Even without the physical evidence the Bible tells us
enough to locate the crossing site.

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Message 920 of 1864 (902983)
11-29-2022 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 915 by Phat
11-25-2022 2:00 PM


Re: Any corroborating evidence?
Phat, sorry to take so long to reply, but I have committed
to another voluntary situation at the local animal shelter.
It breaks my heart to see all the unwanted animals. I already
Have eight cats and three dogs.
By political correctness (in this situation), I refer to NASA
distancing itself from anything religious.
The episode I viewed was (I believe) on the Discovery
Channel. It was not long after the Gulf War ended.
The thin red line was clearly discernable.

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Message 922 of 1864 (902986)
11-29-2022 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 919 by Theodoric
11-26-2022 5:33 PM


Re: Simplistically Speaking
Conserve means to conserve the ways of life that has
made America the envy of the world.
Progress, for Liberals, means castrating young boys;
cutting of the breasts of young girls; killing little babies
as they are being born; allowing fat males (Brian Nguyen)
to win Miss America, and, men (Thomas) to win female
swimming titles.
They make the ignorant believe that males are toxic and
that women should always be believed. That all whites
are racists, and, that all police should be abolished.
They believe that homosexual marriages are just as right
and good as heterosexual marriages. They also believe
that pedophiles should be referred to as "minor
attracted persons."
Isaiah 5:20-21 "Woe unto them that call evil
good, and good evil; that put darkness for light,
and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet,
and sweet for bitter!
Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes,
and prudent in their own sight!"
"Woe," is by no stretch of the imagination a good thing.

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