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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.2 |
Responded to wrong person. Fix on way
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.2 |
You are a christian in name not in action. That's ok. So is the Orange Shitgibbon, mikey pence, mags taylor green, most of the GQP and all the other MAGAt's.
Fine company I am sure. What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 9.8
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That's ok. So is the Orange Shitgibbon, mikey pence, mags taylor green, most of the GQP and all the other MAGAt's. Fine company I am sure. More like dog shit tracked in on the carpet.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Phat Member Posts: 18638 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
The peanut gallery has done exactly what I predicted it would do. It has conflated Republican/Conservative ideals with evangelical Christianity. And vilified both.
So let's examine Conservative ideals and see what precisely is so wrong with them. Ten Conservative Principlesquote:Thats only from one website. I could dig deeper and find a general consensus for what Conservatives purport to believe. Why are they evil?
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Phat Member Posts: 18638 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
ringo writes: Nonsense. Why the peanut gallery chooses to vilify conservatism is way beyond me.
The US once showed such promise - but it's being taken over by a bunch of lying, thieving conservative assholes. And like the poor whites who fought to conserve slavery, you're on their side. The great line of demarcation in modern politics, Eric Voegelin used to point out, is not a division between liberals on one side and totalitarians on the other. No, on one side of that line are all those men and women who fancy that the temporal order is the only order, and that material needs are their only needs, and that they may do as they like with the human patrimony. On the other side of that line are all those people who recognize an enduring moral order in the universe, a constant human nature, and high duties toward the order spiritual and the order temporal.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17912 Joined: Member Rating: 6.7
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You obviously aren’t going to find a real consensus.
Nobody witnessing the last 6 years can believe that modern “Conservatives” accept the second. Granted some Conservatives have hit back but they’re in the minority and condemned as “RINO”s.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.2
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But the conservatives do not follow these principles. Show me one.
John Kenneth Galbraith - WikipediaWhat can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Phat Member Posts: 18638 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
Liberals are greedy for power and control. They want everybody to fall in line, under the guise of social altruism. Edited by Phat, .
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.2 |
The thing about uncle miltie(do you know who he is?) is that many of his ideas and theories have shown to be bullshit and he was a failure as an economist and a policymaker.
First of all the quote I presented was about conservatives. Friedman was not a conservative, he was a libertarian. Milton Friedman's "Shareholder" Theory Was Wrong - The Atlantic Milton Friedman: a study in failure | Richard Adams | The Guardian If he was a truly honest person he would looked at the western socialist countries for his comment instead of the authoritarian countries that he admired. Look into his support of Pinochet in Chile, his admiration of the chinese governement. Your turn. Criticize Galbraith.What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Phat Member Posts: 18638 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
After reading about him, I found that I honestly couldn't criticize him. He had a great career and wrote some thought-provoking books. I initially reacted to his comment on Republicans and greed but found that I myself took the quote out of context.
I withdraw my argument.
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ringo Member (Idle past 664 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
The answer remains the same: a good father wouldn't do that. The "father" analogy breaks down. I was referring to the sheep and goats judgement.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 664 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Using you as an example, the conflation works.
The peanut gallery has done exactly what I predicted it would do. It has conflated Republican/Conservative ideals with evangelical Christianity. Phat writes:
And rightly so. Note how Jesus vilified the Pharisees for the same behavior as yours.
And vilified both. First, the conservative believes that there exists an enduring moral order.
And yet you can never tell us what that "absolute" morality is. You're afraid to discuss it.
Second, the conservative adheres to custom, convention, and continuity.
Like the customs of racism and sexism. Conservatives keep the same polices year after year, century after century, without regard to whether they work or not.
Conservatives sense that modern people are dwarfs on the shoulders of giants, able to see farther than their ancestors only because of the great stature of those who have preceded us in time.
They have contempt for people.
Fourth, conservatives are guided by their principle of prudence.
So Trump is no conservative.
Fifth, conservatives pay attention to the principle of variety.
Different shades of white?
Sixth, conservatives are chastened by their principle of imperfectability.
They would do better to think in terms of improvability.
Seventh, conservatives are persuaded that freedom and property are closely linked.
THEIR freedom and THEIR property, nobody else's.
Eighth, conservatives uphold voluntary community, quite as they oppose involuntary collectivism.
Community is not voluntary. It's a contract. It's binding.
Ninth, the conservative perceives the need for prudent restraints upon power and upon human passions.
So again, Trump is no conservative. He wants to be dictator for life.
Tenth, the thinking conservative understands that permanence and change must be recognized and reconciled in a vigorous society.
Oxymoron and boldfaced lie. Conservative want to be stuck in the ninteenth century forever.
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I'd like it if you would DISCUSS what you've already said. No need to Gish-gallop all over the Internet trying to find something good about conservatives.
I could dig deeper and find a general consensus for what Conservatives purport to believe. Phat writes:
See above. Why are they evil? Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.2 |
Did you research uncle miltie? Do you support his "screw the little people" theory of economics?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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ringo Member (Idle past 664 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
How so?
Nonsense. Phat writes:
Because you refuse to think.
Why the peanut gallery chooses to vilify conservatism is way beyond me. Phat writes:
Nonsense. Conservatives recognize no moral order except "grab what you can". They fail to understand that human nature (except theirs) is improving. On the other side of that line are all those people who recognize an enduring moral order in the universe, a constant human nature, and high duties toward the order spiritual and the order temporal. (See, THAT is how you point out that something is nonsense: you explain WHY it is nonsense.)Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 664 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
You make my point about conservatives. Nothing can change your mind, no matter how many times you're shown that it's wrong.
Liberals are greedy for power and control. They want everybody to fall in line, under the guise of social altruism. "A society that puts equality before freedom with get neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both."
Note how the US was founded on the principle of "freedom" - yet it took almost a hundred years of "freedom" to abolish slavery - and a hundred and fifty years later, the "freedom" is still not equal. Your Goober Friedman is playing fast and loose with his definitions. And he's saying that greed is a good thing?Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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