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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Taq writes:
More bs. Guiding research is a very practical use, whether you like it or not. Medical research that fails to produce an improvement in the treatment of disease is a useless failure ... not a practical use of anything. A research hypothesis that fails to produce an improvement in the treatment of disease is also a useless failure ... not a practical use of anything.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Taq writes:
You're digressing. The discussion is not about theorectical approaches to research ... it's about tangible benefits in the treatment of disease. Guiding research is a very practical use There's nothing "practical" about using a theoretical guide for medical research that's hitherto produced zero improvements in the treatment of disease. "using common ancestry to come up with new hypotheses" Message 1077 as a research guide has not resulted in any medical benefits for anyone. So far that particular "guide" has proven blind and useless.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Taq writes:
Which tangible improvement in the treatment of which disease has resulted from research guided by UCD?
Tangible benefits come from research which is guided by UCD.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Using animal models doesn't require accepting the theory of UCD.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
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Taq writes:
That is incorrect ... animal models are used bcoz they're genetically and physiologically similar to humans. Animals models are used because of UCD. The history of how they came to genetically and physiologically similar to humans is irrelevant to their utility. Your argument is analogous to this:In order for a dentist to fix teeth, he must know how teeth evolved ... which is nonsense.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
No. I'm talking about the history of UCD - history that goes back millions-billions of years.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
That's right - driving a car doesn't require any knowledge of "nuts and bolts", nor any knowledge of how cars evolved.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
wrongsmith writes:
Why do you need to believe that all life shares a common ancestor to examine and compare the DNA of humans and other animals?
Now stating that using animal models doesn't require accepting the theory of UCD is like stating that using animal models doesn't require examining their DNA
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
AZPaul3 = APauling
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
APauling writes:
I didn't refute your comment coz - as usual - it was kinda irrelevant to the discussion.
I note you cannot refute what I said. APauling writes:
I understand why you consider my pearls of wisdom and astonishing Once again the bs you were trying foist on this thread is exposed as bogus.displays of scientific knowledge to be "bs" - you are afraid to face reality and the truth. Denial is a river in Egypt where cowards hide in the reeds and weave baskets (out of those same reeds).
APauling writes:
From time to time I allow you a small but inconsequential victory - otherwise you would surely descend into a pit of depression and despair. I win again! Lord knows I've made a fool of you on many, many occasions, which takes a toll on your confidence and mental health.
APauling writes:
The sooner you change your moniker from "AZPaul3" to "APauling", the better it will be for everyone ... including you. If you want to include a number or two, I urge you to consider "APauling666". Cute in a sad highschool kinda way "Don't pretend to be something you're not. Just be who you are. That's what's really cool." Ben Stiller as Starsky, Starsky & Hutch, 2004 film
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Dredge writes:
Why do you need to believe that all life shares a common ancestor to examine and compare the DNA of humans and other animals?wrongsmith writes:
That's wonderful, wrongsmith ... now all you have to do is explain how understanding the measure of DNA separation with UCD has provided a practical use in medicine. The measure of DNA separation can only be understood with UCD, otherwise you are shooting in the dark. In other words, which treatment of which disease has been created or improved by understanding the measure of DNA separation with UCD?
I'm beginning to see you as a Sea Lion troll.
That's wonderful too. Thank you for the compliment.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
APauling writes:
How is that relevant to the discussion? The scientific consensus, by near unanimous agreement, agrees the fact of the UCD is a linchpin in the evidence of evolution. The development of which treatment of which disease required the acceptance of "the fact of UCD"? Are you saying that, if I get a Covid jab, it won't work bcoz I don't accept "the fact of UCD"?
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
APauling writes:
APauling nonsense. How did you manage to get reality so so wrong?
And since you're a cracker munchin' catholic with delusions of Genesis poisoning your brain, anything you say on the subject is, entertaining, but ultimately intellectually useless.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
APauling writes:
Show me a scientific paper that says Covid vaccines work because of UCD.
The jab will work, precisely because of common descent,
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
APauling writes:
That's not the point. The scientific consensus, by near unanimous agreement, agrees the fact of the UCD is a linchpin in the evidence of evolution. Which treatment of which disease could not have been developed without accepting "the fact of UCD", and why?
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