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Dredge
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Message 1095 of 1429 (901902)
11-15-2022 2:31 PM
Reply to: Message 1094 by Stile
11-15-2022 2:07 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Taq writes:
Guiding research is a very practical use, whether you like it or not.
More bs.
Medical research that fails to produce an improvement in the treatment of disease is a useless failure ... not a practical use of anything.
A research hypothesis that fails to produce an improvement in the treatment of disease is also a useless failure ... not a practical use of anything.

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Dredge
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Message 1100 of 1429 (902109)
11-17-2022 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1093 by Taq
11-15-2022 1:59 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Taq writes:
Guiding research is a very practical use
You're digressing. The discussion is not about theorectical approaches to research ... it's about tangible benefits in the treatment of disease.
There's nothing "practical" about using a theoretical guide for medical research that's hitherto produced zero improvements in the treatment of disease.
"using common ancestry to come up with new hypotheses" Message 1077 as a research guide has not resulted in any medical benefits for anyone. So far that particular "guide" has proven blind and useless.

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Dredge
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Message 1102 of 1429 (902111)
11-17-2022 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 1101 by Taq
11-17-2022 4:48 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Taq writes:
Tangible benefits come from research which is guided by UCD.
Which tangible improvement in the treatment of which disease has resulted from research guided by UCD?

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Dredge
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Message 1104 of 1429 (902113)
11-17-2022 5:38 PM
Reply to: Message 1103 by Taq
11-17-2022 4:54 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Using animal models doesn't require accepting the theory of UCD.

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Dredge
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Message 1108 of 1429 (902182)
11-18-2022 4:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1105 by Taq
11-17-2022 6:15 PM


Re: UCD evidence
1105
Taq writes:
Animals models are used because of UCD.
That is incorrect ... animal models are used bcoz they're genetically and physiologically similar to humans.
The history of how they came to genetically and physiologically similar to humans is irrelevant to their utility.
Your argument is analogous to this:
In order for a dentist to fix teeth, he must know how teeth evolved ... which is nonsense.

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Dredge
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Message 1111 of 1429 (902218)
11-19-2022 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 1110 by ringo
11-19-2022 10:56 AM


Re: UCD evidence
No. I'm talking about the history of UCD - history that goes back millions-billions of years.

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Dredge
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Message 1112 of 1429 (902219)
11-19-2022 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 1106 by Stile
11-18-2022 8:15 AM


Re: UCD evidence
That's right - driving a car doesn't require any knowledge of "nuts and bolts", nor any knowledge of how cars evolved.

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Dredge
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Message 1113 of 1429 (902222)
11-19-2022 12:51 PM
Reply to: Message 1107 by xongsmith
11-18-2022 1:08 PM


Re: UCD evidence
wrongsmith writes:
Now stating that using animal models doesn't require accepting the theory of UCD is like stating that using animal models doesn't require examining their DNA
Why do you need to believe that all life shares a common ancestor to examine and compare the DNA of humans and other animals?

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Dredge
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Message 1114 of 1429 (902236)
11-19-2022 5:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1098 by AZPaul3
11-15-2022 4:47 PM


Re: UCD evidence
AZPaul3 = APauling

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Dredge
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Message 1117 of 1429 (902243)
11-19-2022 10:44 PM
Reply to: Message 1116 by AZPaul3
11-19-2022 8:39 PM


Re: UCD evidence
APauling writes:
I note you cannot refute what I said.
I didn't refute your comment coz - as usual - it was kinda irrelevant to the discussion.
APauling writes:
Once again the bs you were trying foist on this thread is exposed as bogus.
I understand why you consider my pearls of wisdom and astonishing
displays of scientific knowledge to be "bs" - you are afraid to face reality and the truth.
Denial is a river in Egypt where cowards hide in the reeds and weave baskets (out of those same reeds).
APauling writes:
I win again!
From time to time I allow you a small but inconsequential victory - otherwise you would surely descend into a pit of depression and despair.
Lord knows I've made a fool of you on many, many occasions, which takes a toll on your confidence and mental health.
APauling writes:
Cute in a sad highschool kinda way
The sooner you change your moniker from "AZPaul3" to "APauling", the better it will be for everyone ... including you. If you want to include a number or two, I urge you to consider "APauling666".
"Don't pretend to be something you're not.
Just be who you are.
That's what's really cool
."
Ben Stiller as Starsky, Starsky & Hutch, 2004 film

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Dredge
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Message 1118 of 1429 (902244)
11-20-2022 12:58 AM
Reply to: Message 1115 by xongsmith
11-19-2022 6:47 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
Why do you need to believe that all life shares a common ancestor to examine and compare the DNA of humans and other animals?
wrongsmith writes:
The measure of DNA separation can only be understood with UCD, otherwise you are shooting in the dark.
That's wonderful, wrongsmith ... now all you have to do is explain how understanding the measure of DNA separation with UCD has provided a practical use in medicine.
In other words, which treatment of which disease has been created or improved by understanding the measure of DNA separation with UCD?
I'm beginning to see you as a Sea Lion troll.
That's wonderful too. Thank you for the compliment.

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Dredge
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Message 1125 of 1429 (902369)
11-22-2022 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 1122 by AZPaul3
11-21-2022 7:22 PM


Re: UCD evidence
APauling writes:
The scientific consensus, by near unanimous agreement, agrees the fact of the UCD is a linchpin in the evidence of evolution. 
How is that relevant to the discussion?
The development of which treatment of which disease required the acceptance of "the fact of UCD"?
Are you saying that, if I get a Covid jab, it won't work bcoz I don't accept "the fact of UCD"?

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Dredge
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Message 1126 of 1429 (902370)
11-22-2022 4:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1122 by AZPaul3
11-21-2022 7:22 PM


Re: UCD evidence
APauling writes:
And since you're a cracker munchin' catholic with delusions of Genesis poisoning your brain, anything you say on the subject is, entertaining, but ultimately intellectually useless.
APauling nonsense. How did you manage to get reality so so wrong?

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Dredge
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Message 1128 of 1429 (902379)
11-22-2022 10:50 PM
Reply to: Message 1127 by AZPaul3
11-22-2022 6:20 PM


Re: UCD evidence
APauling writes:
The jab will work, precisely because of common descent,
Show me a scientific paper that says Covid vaccines work because of UCD.

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Dredge
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Message 1134 of 1429 (902448)
11-23-2022 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1122 by AZPaul3
11-21-2022 7:22 PM


Re: UCD evidence
APauling writes:
The scientific consensus, by near unanimous agreement, agrees the fact of the UCD is a linchpin in the evidence of evolution. 
That's not the point.
Which treatment of which disease could not have been developed without accepting "the fact of UCD", and why?

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