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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Paulk, at Mount Sinai (Jabal al Lawz) we have the cave
of Elijah; altar of Moses; wells; golden calf altar; an old stream that ran down: blackened top; 3000 graves cemetary; lakebed; petroglyphs of bulls; and, Moses' speaking platform located a little ways up the mountain. The name for Moses in SA is Mousa and/or Mustafa. Many places in that area was named after Mousa. Jabal Mousa.Valley of Mousa. Well if Mousa. Land of Mousa. ETC. the Saudi government has a fence around the area. It iskept under guard, with signs in both Arabic and English warning against entrance. The Jihad and the Saudi's have no doubt that this wasthe mountain of Moses (Mousa, Mustafa). They say they want to preserve and protect such a highreligious site. They want to preserve it. Their reasons for guarding the site might be true. However,They might want to keep the fact that the Israelites sojourned so long in their land a secret. Now I want to hear all your evidence of St. CatherineMonastery being on the so-called Mt. Sinai in the Peninsula.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Paulk, if split rocks are not that rare, then it should be
quite simple for you to tell us about the one in the Peninsula. The one at Mount Sinai is big enough for a man to walkthough.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Theodoric, when I post something you can take it to
the bank. I have shown ample evidence for my assertion. I havenot been shown one ounce of evidence by Paulk or you. And I know why! You don't have any. What can be asserted without evidence For example, life was created by complex chemically: Can also be denied without evidence.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Taq, Wyatt is just one of many who has come out with
such overwhelming evidence for the uweiba Beach crossing. Personally, I believe that only a nut would accept thatMoses parted the swamp of the Sea of Reeds. Or that Mount Sinai is in the Egyptian Sinai without a single Piece if evidence to support either. Don't you agree? An ancient Saudi map (look it up) identifies NuweibaBeach as Nuwayba' al Muzayyinah. In other words, "Waters of Moses opening." You believe what you believe without one ounce of proof.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Paulk, I have more to post, but before I do, tell me if you
honestly believe the Pharoah's entire military drowned in six inches of water? On top of that, do you also believe that this six inches ofwater so completely destroyed all evidence of the Egyptian military that not a trace remained? Have you not read that the Israelites traveled both dayand night? Yes, 24 hours a day. The Israelites were super fit. The pillar of cloud protectedthem from the sun during the day. The pillar of fire lit the way for them at night. The Israelites left Egypt on the 15th, the day afterPassover. The days of unleavened bread lasts a week. We are notsure of how many days they traveled before reaching Etham. This was their first camp after Succoth. The Israelites had plenty of time to reach Etham on thefar side of the wilderness. You seem to think that the Israelites would travel a fewhours and camp, but this is completely opposite of what the Bible tells us. God, through Moses, had just defeated Egypt's ten mostrevered gods with the ten plagues. He gave the Israelites the power and stamina to travel24 hours a day-for days in a row. Moses stated that God carried them on eagle's wings.Metaphorically he sustained them. Access to Nuweiba from Etham is through the Wadiwatir (wadi valley). Numbers 33 has the Israelites turning this way and thatin order to get to Nuweiba. This perfectly describes what happens if one approachesNuweiba from the enterior. It forces one to change direction and turn away from the direction of the camp at Etham.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Paulk, do you believe that tens of thousands of Egyptian
Soldiers drowned in up to six inches of water? Do you believe that the remains of all the soldiers, theirchariots, and horses vanished in ankle deep water and left no trace whatsoever? Do you believe that the few inches of water had theIsraelites boxed in? Why didn't the Israelites go around the small body ofwater? Why didn't the Egyptians go around the small body ofwater and head the Israelitesoff? I'll be waiting for your answers.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Theodiric, when you say that it never happened, you are
placing yourself in a position in which you are asserting more than an opinion. You are stating what you consider to be a fact. Back this up. Or, simply admit that it is nothing more than themusing of someone who is intellectually lazy. One other option is to admit that it is only your opinionthat it never happened.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Theodoric, stop acting dumb. Anybody who cares about
an issue will examine it from all angles. I allow the facts, the way that I interpret them, to shapemy beliefs. And stop pretending that we so-called "right wingChristians" are trying to FORCE you to think a certain way. I don't care how or what you think. And, you will not becensored or sent to your room for not believing the way that I do. This is a discussion board. It is where we exchange ideas. I have been presenting my evidence for the Red SeaCrossing and for Mount Sinai being in Saudi Arabia. You have presented nothing to show otherwise. Saying it never happened is simply a cop out for theintellectually lazy, such as yourself, Herzog, and Rainey.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Theodoric, I have presented evidence, and lots of it.
How did the coral encrusted chariot wheels, includingthe golden chariot wheel, chariot axles, etc..., which fit the ones in use by Egypt during the time of Moses, come to be in the exact location where Moses parted the Red Sea? Numerous individuals, both male and female, haveprovided photographic evidence of this. Why is the top of Jabal al Lawz black, as thoughblackened with fire and heat? When turned over the rocks are brown-the same color as the other mountain peaks? The top of Mt. Sinai is evidence that God was indeedover the mountain for an extended period of time. Could there be another reason for this phenomenon?Perhaps, but I highly doubt it. At least, it is evidence for Moses being there. There are two altars at this mountain. One fits thedescription of Moses' altar. The other one could have been built for the golden calf. Does this prove they are the ones described in Exodus?No. But at the very least, they are evidence for them being there. The petroglyphs of bulls on the rocks are not, excuse thepun, rock solid evidence of the Israelites being there, bit it is evidence that they could have been there. The ancient cemetery close to the mountain is largeenough to contain 3000 graves (the number of deaths reported by Exodus. This does not prove that the cemetery contain the 3000dead Israelites, but it is evidence. The cave on Jabal al Lawz might or might not have beenthe cave that Elijah stayed in, but it is evidence. The valley at Jabal al Lawz covers an expanse of 10,000acres. Does this prove that the Israelites sojourned there? No, but it is evidence that there was room enough to accommodate them. Psalm 77:19 "Thy way is in the sea, and thy path in thegreat waters, and thy footsteps are not known." How would people from over 3000 years ago know thatthere was a natural crossing path under the sea between Nuweiba and SA? The path is composed of sand. There is no mud in whichto bog them down. Does this prove they crossed there? No, but it is strongevidence that David was aware of this thirty centuries ago. There is much more evidence for Moses and the crossingof the Red Sea than there is that life began by a complex chemical reaction-which scientists cannot duplicate today. You are going to believe what you believe, evidence or not.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Paulk, more evidence that Moses the Red Sea at
Nuweiba Beach. Numbers 33: 7-8 "And they removed from Etham, andturned unto Pi-Hahiroth, which is before (facing) Ba-al-Zephon: and they camped before (facing) Migdol. And they departed from before Pi-Hahiroth (now they arefacing away from Pi-Hahiroth, and moving towards Baal- Zephon, on the SA side of the Sea) and passed through the midst of the Sea. Migdol refers to a tower; a lookout; a fort; or a vantagepoint in the foothills of the wadi watir that leads to Nuweiba Beach. Egyptian sources describe there being such a vantagepoint (fortress) on the Egyptian's north-east border. Nuweiba Beach / Pi-Hahiroth is also located on theNorth-East border. Pi-Hahiroth comes from "Peh" meaning mouth. And"Chowr" meaning cavity, gorges, cave, and hole. Pi-Hahiroth simply means "Mouth of the gorges." George's refers to a narrow valley between hills ormountains, typically with steep rocky walls, and oftentimes with a stream running through. This fits perfectly with being on Nuweiba Beach andlooking up through the Wadi watir. Baal was linked to a midianite site of worship to the godBaal of Zephon, in present day SA, directly across from Nuweiba, about four miles from the Red Sea at Saraf al-Bal. Ball was a supposedly powerful god of the Canaanitesand SA. Baal was not the God of the Egyotians.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Paulk, you don't have the guts to put forth your case for
the crossing to be at the Sea of Reeds, or for Mount Sinai to be in Egypt. I have never debated such a timid and insecure person inmy entire life. I don't believe that you know what you think. Whatever it is,you lack the ability to defend it. In fact, you lack the ability to even state it.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Paulk, I have never debated such a timid person. One who
is so completely unsure of what he believes. The truth of the matter is that you have no idea abouthow to interpret what the Bible says about the Red Sea crossing or Mt. Sinai. You have not disproved anything I've said. No even close. On top of that, you run when confronted about your ownInterpretation of the events. I am not angry. I am merely disappointed in your lackof cognitive reasoning. I think you have it in your mind where the eventshappened. You have a strong opinion. I also believe that you lack the confidence in yourselfTo defend your position. You are timid in this respect.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Ringo, if someone does not believe that the Exodus
happened then they should just say so. I was not debating whether the Exodus happened. I wasdebating where it happened. If someone does not believe the authority of the Biblethen there is nothing I can say to make them believe. However, there is evidence that it did happen. And theevidence is not at the Sea of Reeds. And it is not at St. Catherine's Monastery. Ron Wyatt is not the reason that I came to believe thatthat the crossing was at Nuweiba Beach. NASA's report of the "thin red line" in the early 90's iswhat convinced me. This was the first time that I took a serious look at the route of the Exodus. NASA, under pressure to be politically correct, deleteda portion of the story. They also deleted the images of the "thin red line." Do I think that there are coral encrusted object that fitthe outline of chariot wheels at Nueweiba Beach? Yes, several individuals have published photos of them. Do I believe that much of the evidence at Jebel al Lawzexists? Yes. A number of individual have seen andphotographed the evidence. Even without the physical evidence the Bible tells usenough to locate the crossing site.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Phat, sorry to take so long to reply, but I have committed
to another voluntary situation at the local animal shelter. It breaks my heart to see all the unwanted animals. I alreadyHave eight cats and three dogs. By political correctness (in this situation), I refer to NASAdistancing itself from anything religious. The episode I viewed was (I believe) on the DiscoveryChannel. It was not long after the Gulf War ended. The thin red line was clearly discernable.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Conserve means to conserve the ways of life that has
made America the envy of the world. Progress, for Liberals, means castrating young boys;cutting of the breasts of young girls; killing little babies as they are being born; allowing fat males (Brian Nguyen) to win Miss America, and, men (Thomas) to win female swimming titles. They make the ignorant believe that males are toxic andthat women should always be believed. That all whites are racists, and, that all police should be abolished. They believe that homosexual marriages are just as rightand good as heterosexual marriages. They also believe that pedophiles should be referred to as "minor attracted persons." Isaiah 5:20-21 "Woe unto them that call evilgood, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes,and prudent in their own sight!" "Woe," is by no stretch of the imagination a good thing.
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