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Message 765 of 1429 (896936)
08-26-2022 11:45 PM
Reply to: Message 762 by Dredge
08-26-2022 10:25 PM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
DNA determines and thus can alter morpholgy, but that does nothing to explain how natural selection and what environmental pressures acted to remove the entire pelvis from the spine of the whale's alleged evolutionary ancestor (something like Pakicetus) and relocate it elsewhere in the body.
You asked how the legs could go bye-bye and get replaced by a tail. If you understood the way these things work you would know DNA does it. Does it all.
Natural selection and your redundadundant environmental pressures either accept the changes DNA wrought or not.
I know you're lost at this point but natural selection and your redundadundant environmental pressures are reflected in the number of babies made. So as legs gave way to bulbous tails gaining advantage in their ocean world those bulbous-tailed whales had lots of little bulbous-tailed whale babies.
That's evolution. It doesn't matter what you think of it. The demonstrable facts, and thus all the proof you seek, are known and verified. We know how and you don't.
The rest of your post, as always, is just more ignorance of the topic and stupidity in interpretation. Not worth a cracker's worth of energy to answer with or without god meat.
To a layman simply looking at photos and diagrams, there seems to be no distinction between the spine and tail of most whales and dolphins.
In the case of a sperm whale, however, there is a very obvious distinction between its spine and tail ... and not only that, the alleged vestigial (remote) pelvis is located close to the spine/tail junction.
This is one reason the observations of untrained religious motivated cracker-headed laymen are given such high regard.
Yes. Does a different evolutionary outcome for a different evolutionary organism surprise you? Are you going to go off about the seeming inconsistency between close lineages? Separated by millions of years?
If you understood evolution you would know this seeming inconsistency is consistent throughout all organisms. That's one reason there are sooo many types of beetles.
The joke goes god really loved beetles so he made so many different ones. Actually that was Gia's doing. She was left to do it all. That jehovah guy was off raping some little jewish girl at the time.

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Message 767 of 1429 (896939)
08-27-2022 12:44 AM
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08-27-2022 12:25 AM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Beetles is ok. Wasps is not ok. Pull a Dredge, ignore the wasp studies which I do not like and restore the title to the beetles. Just say no to wasps.

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Message 780 of 1429 (897012)
08-28-2022 1:57 AM
Reply to: Message 778 by Dredge
08-28-2022 1:30 AM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
I'm telling you, Dredge, those god-meat crackers are not good for you. They screw up your brain. Stop going to those cracker fests. Find a different hobby. Like maybe indexing whale fossils at your local paleontology museum on Sunday mornings instead. That might help.

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Message 782 of 1429 (897024)
08-28-2022 3:47 AM
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08-28-2022 3:45 AM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Ain't I tho?

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Message 784 of 1429 (897114)
08-29-2022 2:31 PM
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08-29-2022 12:41 PM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
He thinks like a cow anyway, so it fits.

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Message 787 of 1429 (897197)
08-31-2022 1:42 AM
Reply to: Message 786 by Dredge
08-31-2022 12:26 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
I'm telling you, Altar Boy, those meat crackers screw with your mind.
As for the "relatedness of life" ... yes, but only in the sense that
there are genetic similarities between species.
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But if by "relatedness of life", you mean the theory of UCD ... no, that theory is irrelevant and useless to medicine.
Now ask yourself, Dredge, why are there so many genetic similarities between very disparate species? Seems those DNA similarities would be inherited from a common ancestor.
Do you know there are genes older than your god? They have been very highly conserved over the eons of millennia. Like the genes that create and manage the krebs cycles which no life, no single cell, on this planet can live without.
The krebs cycle is life and we inherited those genes from ... guess who? The original organisms that found the original krebs cycles ... the UCA.
Now aren't you embarrassed at your lack of analytical abilities? I'm telling you, Dredge, those meat crackers are screwing with your head.
Isn't it fascinating that even highly intelligent folks, such as scientists, are not immune from brainwashing and episodes of cognitive dissonance?
When did that black kettle come in, asked the pot.

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Message 789 of 1429 (897202)
08-31-2022 2:28 AM
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08-31-2022 1:55 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Please explain how UCD is necessary to explain the evolution of different beaks in Galapagos fiches, for example.
The UCA does not specifically explain why a certain trait appears. What UCA does, Dredge, is give us the ability to understand HOW it happened. The same ingredients are necessary, and the understanding of how those ingredients work together starts with UCA.
This information is all available for anyone to study and learn.
Why do you not? Are evolution, the UCA, whale tails that much of a threat to your existence? Why do you pursue these lines of BS? Are you just an ignorant catholic or is trolling meeting some deep psychological need in your meat-cracker rattled brain?

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Message 800 of 1429 (897407)
09-04-2022 6:24 PM
Reply to: Message 796 by Dredge
09-01-2022 10:49 PM


Serious
Hey Altar Boy, I have a serious question if you care to answer. No prizes or recriminations either way (maybe), I promise.
Over in thread Does reversing abortion laws give all non-white Americans a better socio-economic dem the main OP is expressing a ... view point.
You'll see my usual insultive self there, just ignore that stuff.
A curiosity, as much and as little you may care to share, what are your views on that thread?

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Message 881 of 1429 (899269)
10-11-2022 11:46 AM
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10-10-2022 12:25 PM


What's wrong with using google?
He's too busy in the confessional eating meat-crackers and drinking blood. Those meat-crackers rot his brain. And the blood ... he's catholic so he's evil.

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Message 895 of 1429 (899391)
10-12-2022 10:50 PM
Reply to: Message 894 by Dredge
10-12-2022 10:33 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Yes, you cut and paste from an outside source just as Percy said. Thank you for the confirmation.

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Message 923 of 1429 (899887)
10-20-2022 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 922 by xongsmith
10-20-2022 1:15 PM


Re: UCD
I'm telling you it is those meat-crackers he eats. No one can consume 2000 year old jesus-meat without noticeable mental effects.

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Message 1088 of 1429 (901426)
11-09-2022 5:28 PM
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11-09-2022 2:52 PM


Re: UCD evidence
You can keep swinging away at your strawmen, or you can actually address what people are saying.
No, no he can’t. He has to continue to lie and obfuscate otherwise he is admitting that UCD and common descent are linchpin concepts in evidence of the reality of evolution. His gutter religion cannot accept the reality of evolution and he must fight against the obvious no matter how stupid and inane his arguments.
He is a meat-cracker eating theist. Reality is anathema to him. Strawmen are his only arguments.

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Message 1090 of 1429 (901686)
11-13-2022 9:04 PM
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11-13-2022 6:32 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Irrelevant to my argument.
First, you have no argument. Only unevidenced assertions built into your own strawmen.
Second, of course all are relevant. They form the very basis of your motivations to lie about evolution.

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Message 1098 of 1429 (901926)
11-15-2022 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1095 by Dredge
11-15-2022 2:31 PM


Re: UCD evidence
A research hypothesis that fails to produce an improvement in the treatment of disease is also a useless failure ... not a practical use of anything.
Dredge, stay off those meat-crackers. They make you think stupid stuff.
There are no failures in any experiment in science. The results may not be as expected, and it's leaders may convey some disappointment, but like the Michelson–Morley "failures", null results speak volumes.
Think before you inset cracker, Dredge. This is a well known and well celebrated feature of science. When we get unexpected results, when we get "failures", we learn a great deal from these "mistakes". Some of our greatest discoveries were found after years of analysing "failed" experiments. We learn from our "unproductivity".
It seems you never acquired that skill. You keep making the same mistakes over and over ...

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Message 1116 of 1429 (902240)
11-19-2022 8:39 PM
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11-19-2022 5:34 PM


Re: UCD evidence
AZPaul3 = APauling
Cute in a sad highschool kinda way, but I note you cannot refute what I said. Once again the bs you were trying foist on this thread is exposed as bogus. I win again!

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