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Message 833 of 1864 (901577)
11-11-2022 6:28 PM
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11-11-2022 4:17 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big
Paulk, there is no other location that fits the Biblical
description of the Red Sea crossing.
If you believe there is, then state your location. But, it
won't add up.

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Message 838 of 1864 (901584)
11-12-2022 6:00 PM
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11-12-2022 1:31 AM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big
Paulk, I have had problems accessing the site the past
couple of days. I don't know why.
The Bible says a good deal about the description of the
route that the Israelites took. I will get to that in another
post. Right now I want to relay what NASA discovered in
1991.
In 1991 Saddam Hussein (Iraq) had his troops bury 1500
tanks up to the turrets along the Saudi border. He
concealed them.
The United States determined that the tanks (metal)
would heat up during the day and when the land cooled
at night infrared would permit them to locate each and
every tank.
The infrared cameras were sensitive enough to detect a
temperature difference of just half a degree F.
The infrared cameras pinpointed the exact route of the
Exodus. It pinpointed a thin red line from Succoth
through the wilderness of the Red Sea, through the Wadi
Watir, to Nuweiba Beach, on the Gulf of Aquaba.
The thin red line continued on the other side of the Red
Sea, and continued on to Jabal Al Lawz (Mt. Sinai) in
Saudi Arabia.
NASA theorized that the roughly two and a half million
Israelites, plus their livestock and other animals
pulverized the sand into a fine powder that hardened and
was then covered by a layer of sand.
The hard-packed route would collect more heat from the
sun and the night-time differences in temperature would
show up on infrared.
It shows the exact route that the Bible lays out.
This is an undeniable fact.

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Message 843 of 1864 (901622)
11-13-2022 10:11 AM
Reply to: Message 837 by PaulK
11-12-2022 1:31 AM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big
Paulk, you are one funny guy. You actually believe that
Moses parted the six inch deep Sea of Reeds and that
when the whole eighty gallons of water returned it
destroyed the entire Egyptian army.
Josephus stated in "Antiquities of the Jews" that besides
the 600 choice chariots that there were an additional
50,000 horse soldiers and 200,000 foot soldiers.
And, you actually believe that several gallons of water
destroyed this entire army. And that this six inch deep
water erased any and all evidence of that army's remains.
It is true that Yam-Suf that be interpretated as either "Sea
of Reeds" or "Red Sea," depending on the context.
Of the 24 times Yam-Suf is mentioned in the Bible, at
least seven times it refers to the "Red Sea."
One such place is in1Kings 9:26 which states that
Solomon had a navy on the shore of the Red Sea (Yam-Suf).
Exodus 14:29 states that the sea parted into a wall of
water on both sides of the Israelites.
I still chuckle at your assertion that the Sea of Reeds
could in any way amount to two great walls of water.
Isaiah 51:10 "Art thou not it which hath dried the sea, the
waters of the Great deep; that hath made the depths of
the Sea a way for the ransomed to pass over?"
Notice that Isaiah did not say the very shallow waters.
He used the term the "great deep."
Here "deep" can be interpreted as the abyss; surging mass
of water; or, main sea.
What "great deep" cannot refer to is a shallow marsh of
water.

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Message 845 of 1864 (901630)
11-13-2022 11:18 AM
Reply to: Message 844 by PaulK
11-13-2022 10:31 AM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big
Paulk, the Red Sea is more than a mile and a half deep
in many places, with an incline much too deep to permit
travel by foot. In addition the Red Sea is littered with
large boulders and sharp rocks.
The only spot on the Red Sea without these rocky
intrusions is located between Nuweiba Beach and the
Saudi shore, thirteen miles away.
The Sea between these two points is one-half miles deep.
It is a kind of natural land bridge built up by sand runoff
from both sides of the Sea.
Look at Nuweiba Beach on the map. It is an area of
roughly 16 square miles.
Also look at the wadi watir that leads to Nuweiba Beach.
There are tall rocky mountains on both sides of the watir.
The 250,000 strong Egyptian army was coming up behind
them.
The Israelites were hemmed in by the mountains on the
sides of them, with the Sea in front of them, and the
Egyptian army behind the.
They were angry with Moses; accusing him of bringing
them there to die.
At this point they were totally dependent on God for
their deliverance.
There have been a number of photographers who have
taken underwater photos of coral encrusted chariot
wheels and axles.
The coral encrusted wheels are of both four and six
spokes, which were in use by the Egyptians at that time.
The are coral encrusted objects with 90 degree angles,
as well as axles with wheels on both ends.
Like I said, there are no rock formations in that area for
corals to attach themselves to. The corals have attached
themselves to man-made objects.
The degree of fall and rise between the two shores is so
minimal that someone in a wheelchair could travel it.
No one is permitted to remove objects from the area, and
only an idiot would try.

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Message 847 of 1864 (901672)
11-13-2022 2:58 PM
Reply to: Message 846 by PaulK
11-13-2022 12:02 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big
Paulk, what does tradition have to do with this? If the
traditional site does not agree with the Bible then
tradition is not worth a plug nickel.
Using the "traditional" carries no weight.
The land between Succoth and the wadi watir is
relatively flat. It would have been relatively easy
for the Egyptians and the chariots to catch the
Israelites.
Read the incident in Exodus very carefully. God
lead the Israelites in a a route that would make
Pharoah think they were wandering around in
confusion.
God wanted Pharoah to come after the Israelites.
He used this opportunity to show both the Egyptians
and Israeltes His mighty hand.
I told you that the depth of the water over the natural
bridge was half a mile deep. The wall of water on each
side of the Israelites when walking across would have
towered half a mile over them.
God moved back half a mile of water, and He held it back
until the Israelites had passed through. He then released
the water on the Egyptian army.
You were actually agreeing with me when you stated that
the water at the Nuweiba crossing site was 850 meters.
Your arguments actually help me.
Exodus mentions that Pharoah took with him his best 600
chariots; plus all the other chariots; plus all his horsemen,
and his entire army.
The first-born sons of Egypt had just died. This was from
a direct result of the Israelite's God.
The Israelites had taken much of the gold and valuables of
the Egyptians with them. They took with them all animals
they wanted. Plus, the Egyptians had also just lost their
entire slave labor force.
They had made the Egyptians look like fools.
20,000, not even 50,000 soldiers would have been enough
to defeat the 600,000 men of Israel. The Israelites were
used to hard manual labor. They were not soft.
Pharoah took his entire army.
I do not know if coral can become encrusted on wood or
not. But many of the wheels were covered with metal,
especially the 600 choice chariots.
When Moses escaped from Pharoah after killing the
Egyptian, he ended up in Midian, in Saudi Arabia.
The burning bush was on Mt. Horeb in Saudi Arabia.
In Exodus 3:12 God told Moses that after Moses had
brought forth the people out of Egypt that they were
to serve Him on that mountain.
Mt. Horeb (Mt. Sinai), was in Saudi Arabia, opposite
side of the Red Sea.
Today this mountains is known as Jabal Al Kawz.
Constantine's mother was the reason people thought
Mt. Sinai was in the Suez peninsula. She said that that
was where it was located.
There is a strip along Nuweiba Beach where the sand
and gravel have been fused. God had created a pillar of
fire that kept the Egyptians held back until the Israelites
had passed through the sea.
If you looked at the wadi watir and Nuweiba Beach and
still cannot understand how the Israelites would have
felt hemmed in, then the problem of perception lies with
you.

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Message 849 of 1864 (901693)
11-14-2022 8:09 AM
Reply to: Message 848 by PaulK
11-13-2022 3:31 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big
Paulk, the NIV states that the Israelites were hemmed in.
The marshlands of Sinai have never been referred to as
the "Great Deep." You are being deliberately deceptive
because you know this is true.
There would have been no need to part the wee little tiny
water in the marshland. The chariots would have become
bogged down and rendered worthless.
The chariots of Pharoah could have traveled easily
through the flat land in the peninsula.
The chariots of Pharoah could have traveled through the
the wadi watir. The ww was covered with sand. The same
sand that had washed out onto Nuweiba Beach, and
formed the underwater land bridge.
The mountains on the sides of the wadi watir were tall,
sharp, and jagged; not the wadi watir itself.
There is no evidence of any kind that the Egyptians
drowned in the shallow marshlands of the Sea of Reeds.
There is no evidence of any kind that Mt. Sinai was in the
Peninsula.
The only reason that the myth of Mt. Sinai being in the
Peninsula was that Constantine believed he had a Revelation
from God. He sent his mom, Helena to verify it. She told him
what he wished to hear.
I'll repeat, there is not one piece of concrete proof that has
been produced to validate the assertion was in the Sinai
Peninsula. The same goes for the marshland drowning
250,000 Egyptian soldiers.
As Isaiah clearly states: the Egyptians drowned in the great
deep. And there is evidence of this. Ron White is not the
only individual who has offered proof.
You dismiss the verses that you don't like, or that you don't
agree with.
You must receive much of your instructions from Ringo.
His motto is deny, deny, deny.

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Message 851 of 1864 (901956)
11-16-2022 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 850 by PaulK
11-14-2022 8:26 AM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big
Paulk, let's look at two Biblical versions of Psalms 77:19.
"Your path led through the sea, your way through the
waters, though your footprints were not seen."
"Your road led through the sea, your pathway through
The mighty waters, a pathways one knew was there."
No one knew that the underwater bridge of the Red Sea
(mighty waters-not a shallow marshlands) was there. It
could not be seen until the sea was parted.
Photos from both sides (Egypt and Saudi Arabia)of the
underwater pathway clearly show coral encrusted chariot
wheels; axles; chariot frames; horse bones; and, human
bones.
There are even photos of a golden chariot wheel. Corals
don't attach to gold. Could this have been from the
Pharoah's own chariot?
Exodus 14:3 states that the Israelites had become
entangled in the land. The wilderness had shut them in.
The only place that could have shut them in was
Nuweiba Beach.
There were rugged mountains on their sides and the Red
Sea was in front of them.
The Egyptians were behind them in the wadi watir. This
was their only route of escape.
The Egyptians could not go around the pillar of fire and
attached the Isrelites.
Why? Because the pillar of fire extended across the wadi
watir. On both sides of the wadi watir were rugged most.
Names of ancient places change over time. And oftentimes
there were more than one place with the same name.
You deny that Isaiah had special knowledge of the Red Sea
crossing.
If you don't believe some of the Bible, why believe any of it?

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Message 852 of 1864 (901957)
11-16-2022 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 850 by PaulK
11-14-2022 8:26 AM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big
Paulk, let's look at two Biblical versions of Psalms 77:19.
"Your path led through the sea, your way through the
waters, though your footprints were not seen."
"Your road led through the sea, your pathway through
The mighty waters, a pathways one knew was there."
No one knew that the underwater bridge of the Red Sea
(mighty waters-not a shallow marshlands) was there. It
could not be seen until the sea was parted.
Photos from both sides (Egypt and Saudi Arabia)of the
underwater pathway clearly show coral encrusted chariot
wheels; axles; chariot frames; horse bones; and, human
bones.
There are even photos of a golden chariot wheel. Corals
don't attach to gold. Could this have been from the
Pharoah's own chariot?
Exodus 14:3 states that the Israelites had become
entangled in the land. The wilderness had shut them in.
The only place that could have shut them in was
Nuweiba Beach.
There were rugged mountains on their sides and the Red
Sea was in front of them.
The Egyptians were behind them in the wadi watir. This
was their only route of escape.
The Egyptians could not go around the pillar of fire and
attached the Isrelites.
Why? Because the pillar of fire extended across the wadi
watir. On both sides of the wadi watir were rugged most.
Names of ancient places change over time. And oftentimes
there were more than one place with the same name.
You deny that Isaiah had special knowledge of the Red Sea
crossing.
If you don't believe some of the Bible, why believe any of it?

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Message 854 of 1864 (901987)
11-16-2022 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 850 by PaulK
11-14-2022 8:26 AM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big
Paulk, Exodus 18:1 "When Jethro, the priest of Midian,
and Moses' father in law, heard of all God had done for
Moses, and for Israel his people, and that the Lord had
brought Israel out of Egypt;"
Jethro lived in Saudi Arabia. The residents of the area
still honor him as one of their own.
They have numerous sights dedicated to him.

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Message 856 of 1864 (901991)
11-16-2022 3:41 PM
Reply to: Message 852 by candle2
11-16-2022 1:10 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big
Paulk, Exodus 15:27 "And they came to Elim, where
twelve wells of water, and threescore and ten palm
trees,: and they credit there by the water."
The twelve wells at Elim, in SA, are still there. So are
many palm trees.
Places at this site are named after Moses.
Check it out.
Does this make believe site in the Peninsula have these
twelve wells?

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Message 858 of 1864 (901995)
11-16-2022 3:58 PM
Reply to: Message 850 by PaulK
11-14-2022 8:26 AM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big
Paulk, Exodus 19:18 "And Mount Sinai was altogether on
a smoke, because the Lord descended upon it in fire: and
the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace,
and the whole mount quaked greatly."
The top of Mount Sinai (Jabal al Lawz) is black. No other
mountain in the area are.
When the rocks are turned over, the undersides are brown.
Can you say the same about your place in the Egyptian
Peninsula?

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Message 859 of 1864 (902000)
11-16-2022 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 850 by PaulK
11-14-2022 8:26 AM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big
Paulk, 1Kings 19:8-9 states that Elijah spent forty days
and forty nights in a cave in Mount Horeb (Jabal al Lawz).
There is such a cave on Mount Sinai (Jabal al Lawz) it
measures 15'h X 20'w x 20'd.
Does your Mount in the Egyptian Sinai have a cave?

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Message 861 of 1864 (902008)
11-16-2022 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 850 by PaulK
11-14-2022 8:26 AM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big
Paulk, Exodus 24:4 "And Moses...rose up early in the
morning, an builded an altar under the hill, and twelve
pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel."
There is such an altar at Jabal al Lawz. There is also
evidence where twelve pillars were erected. A few of
the pillars still stand.
Does the sight in the Peninsula have such an altar and
pillars?

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Message 864 of 1864 (902019)
11-16-2022 4:50 PM
Reply to: Message 850 by PaulK
11-14-2022 8:26 AM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big
Paulk, Exodus 17:6 "Behold, I will stand before thee
there upon the rock in Horeb; and thou shalt smite
the rock, and there shall water come out of it, that
the people may drink. Anyone's did so..."
Isaiah 48:21 (NIV) "They did not thirst when he led
them through the deserts; He made water flow for
them from the rock; he split the rock and water gushed
out."
The split rock is still there. And the rocks at the base of
it are smooth from water flowing over them.
Check it out for yourself.
Is there such a rock at your Mount Sinai site?

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Message 866 of 1864 (902021)
11-16-2022 5:12 PM
Reply to: Message 850 by PaulK
11-14-2022 8:26 AM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big
Paulk, Exodus 32 tell about the Israelite making a golden
calf while Moses was on the mountain.
Aaron built an altar on which to place the golden calf.
The altar is still there.
There are several petroglyphs of calves and bulls on large
boulders, much like those in Egypt.
There is a circular area where Moses could have ground
the golden calf down.
The valley at Jabal al Laws is about 10,000 acres in size.
It was large enough to accommodate the Israelites.
After Mosez came down from the mountain and saw the
golden calf, he had 3000 put to death. Exodus 32:28.
Four Miles from the site is a burial sit of perhaps 400
yards.
The headstones ate upright, which is forbidden in Islam.
"The rock distribution pattern and uniform degree of
patina suggests a concentrated period of activity, not a
serial accuracy over centuries."
Dr. Gen Fritz, "The Exodus Mysteries: of Midian, Sinai, and
Jabal al Lawz."
Does your site in the Egyptian Peninsula have anything
like this?

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