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Author Topic:   Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."
Tanypteryx
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Message 1501 of 2926 (901570)
11-11-2022 11:31 AM
Reply to: Message 1495 by Kleinman
11-11-2022 9:51 AM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Kleinman the Bullshit Peddler writes:
You can cherry-pick data all you want, it doesn't impress me. Anyone that thinks that 8% of the human genome consists of viral DNA has no idea what a virus does to a cell.
Demonstrating your scientific rigor by denying that evidence exists is a good look for you.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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PaulK
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Message 1502 of 2926 (901571)
11-11-2022 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 1501 by Tanypteryx
11-11-2022 11:31 AM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
quote:
Demonstrating your scientific rigor by denying that evidence exists is a good look for you.
Apparently Kleinman doesn’t know what a retrovirus does to a cell.

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Stile
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Message 1503 of 2926 (901572)
11-11-2022 3:15 PM
Reply to: Message 1502 by PaulK
11-11-2022 12:06 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
PaulK writes:
Apparently Kleinman doesn’t know what a retrovirus does to a cell.
It's obvious that Kleinman doesn't know what he's talking about in any way. Even the basic math.

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Theodoric
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Message 1504 of 2926 (901573)
11-11-2022 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 1503 by Stile
11-11-2022 3:15 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
But, but, but...
He's a medical doctor and an engineer. But, but...

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Kleinman
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Message 1505 of 2926 (901586)
11-12-2022 7:38 PM
Reply to: Message 1500 by PaulK
11-11-2022 10:53 AM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Kleinman:
I'm sorry that this simple concept confuses you. I wrote the following in the published paper
PaulK:
Since the explanation is rather critical to understanding it, leaving it out is your failure,

Don't blame your confusion on me. Your confusion is your problem.
Kleinman:
I'm not misinterpreting anything
PaulK:
So you really do think that the rule of 1 only applies if we assume heterozygosity.

You are still confused.
Kleinman:
You just don't read very carefully
PaulK:
Oh, I get it. This is where you attribute your faults to others. You didn’t read carefully and misunderstood so you have to pretend that the writer didn’t read carefully.

You are the one blaming me for your confusion. Why don't you take responsibility for your own confusion?
Kleinman:
That's why you screw up such a simple concept.
PaulK:
I’m not the one that screwed up. But again, you have to attribute your faults to others.

You are confused so you blame me. No wonder you have such difficulty understanding such a simple topic.

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Kleinman
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Message 1506 of 2926 (901587)
11-12-2022 7:39 PM
Reply to: Message 1501 by Tanypteryx
11-11-2022 11:31 AM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Kleinman:
You can cherry-pick data all you want, it doesn't impress me. Anyone that thinks that 8% of the human genome consists of viral DNA has no idea what a virus does to a cell.
Tanypteryx:
Demonstrating your scientific rigor by denying that evidence exists is a good look for you.

You think that chasing bugs around demonstrates your scientific rigor. No wonder you can't explain the Kishony and Lenski experiments. Physics and mathematics are foreign subjects to you. Go chase some bugs, that's all you are good for.

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Kleinman
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Message 1507 of 2926 (901588)
11-12-2022 7:40 PM
Reply to: Message 1502 by PaulK
11-11-2022 12:06 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Tanypteryx:
Demonstrating your scientific rigor by denying that evidence exists is a good look for you.
PaulK:
Apparently Kleinman doesn’t know what a retrovirus does to a cell.

Still confused, aren't you?

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Kleinman
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Message 1508 of 2926 (901589)
11-12-2022 7:41 PM
Reply to: Message 1503 by Stile
11-11-2022 3:15 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
PaulK:
Apparently Kleinman doesn’t know what a retrovirus does to a cell.
Stile:
It's obvious that Kleinman doesn't know what he's talking about in any way. Even the basic math.

Yeah, right. Like you know how to do the mathematics of descent with modification and recombination. Why don't you explain the physics and mathematics of the Kishony and Lenski experiments? We won't hold our breath for that one.

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Kleinman
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Message 1509 of 2926 (901590)
11-12-2022 7:42 PM
Reply to: Message 1504 by Theodoric
11-11-2022 3:45 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Theodoric:
But, but, but...
He's a medical doctor and an engineer. But, but...
Yep, licensed in both fields. Why don't you file a complaint with the medical or engineering boards or both if you think I'm wrong? You won't because you are filled with hot air.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 1510 of 2926 (901592)
11-12-2022 7:46 PM
Reply to: Message 1506 by Kleinman
11-12-2022 7:39 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
So, still denying evidence, what a surprise. The only thing you have accomplished in your life is peddling bullshit.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
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Message 1511 of 2926 (901593)
11-12-2022 7:55 PM
Reply to: Message 1510 by Tanypteryx
11-12-2022 7:46 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Tanypteryx:
So, still denying evidence, what a surprise. The only thing you have accomplished in your life is peddling bullshit.
Too bad you are too stupid to understand this concept.
Statistics for Dummies
quote:
How do you select a statistical sample in a way that avoids bias? The key word is random. A random sample is a sample selected by equal opportunity; that is, every possible sample of the same size as yours had an equal chance to be selected from the population. What random really means is that no subset of the population is favored in or excluded from the selection process.
Non-random (in other words bad) samples are samples that were selected in such a way that some type of favoritism and/or automatic exclusion of a part of the population was involved, whether intentional or not.
You didn't learn this chasing bugs.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 1512 of 2926 (901595)
11-12-2022 8:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1511 by Kleinman
11-12-2022 7:55 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
What does this have to do with whole genome sampling?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Kleinman
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Message 1513 of 2926 (901596)
11-12-2022 8:30 PM
Reply to: Message 1512 by Tanypteryx
11-12-2022 8:17 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Tanypteryx:
What does this have to do with whole genome sampling?
You are an idiot. Go chase bugs.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 1514 of 2926 (901597)
11-12-2022 8:51 PM
Reply to: Message 1506 by Kleinman
11-12-2022 7:39 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Kleinman the Bullshitter writes:
You think that chasing bugs around demonstrates your scientific rigor.
Well, you are not qualified to judge that, but I think it's fun and it taught me to identify thousands of species by sight. Plus I have supplied thousands of specimens for molecular sequencing.
Kleinman the Bullshitter writes:
No wonder you can't explain the Kishony and Lenski experiments.
I have no reason to explain them, they are irrelevant to everyone but you, and apparently you can't explain them either.
Kleinman the Bullshitter writes:
Physics and mathematics are foreign subjects to you.
If I can't figure a subject out, luckily I have smart friends who can explain it to me.
Go chase some bugs, that's all you are good for.
At least I know how sex works and that it doesn't violate 2LoT.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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AZPaul3
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Message 1515 of 2926 (901599)
11-12-2022 9:09 PM
Reply to: Message 1513 by Kleinman
11-12-2022 8:30 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
You are an idiot. Go chase bugs.
At least he's chasing something real not the bs fantasy you are fumbling all over.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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