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Message 3188 of 3207 (898107)
09-19-2022 2:03 AM
Reply to: Message 3187 by Phat
09-19-2022 1:16 AM


Re: wrong spirit
Where do you get the idea that His life was taken from Him by force?
Uh, ... Romans???
Right now I'm watching Ken Burns' The US and the Holocaust, so that is part of where my head is at at this moment.
"Where do you get the idea that Jews have been murdered?" "Uh, ... Nazis???"
 
If you ever visit Germany and do a Rhein tour, be sure to visit the beautiful and rather well-preserved Rhein town of Bacharach -- yeah, just like Burt Bacharach the popular musician, though pronounced differently (when I saw it on the train's "nächster Halt" ("next stop") display and heard the recorded voice announcing it,in proper German (which is entirely different from how the musician's name sounds in English) my brain did a momentary flip-flop which for others can induce motion sickness).
That town is the very first time that I learned about the Stolpersteine, "stumbling stones", because for the first time I was seeing them for myself after never having heard of them. The streets are cobblestone, but in front of homes the stones have been replaced with metal (brass? bronze? gold-anodized?) "cobblestones" (same size and shape) with information about that residence's former inhabitants: who they were, when they were rounded up, when and where they were murdered (or if they had simply died of starvation, medical experiments, or whatever -- Germany's branch of IBM provided the data processing equipment to run the entire Holocaust (as one pundit commented about the MAGAt insurrection having published its plans, the only good thing about Nazis is how well they document their atrocities)).
Across this country we have monuments erected to traitors to the Union, but when those Confederate monuments to treason are to be removed, people get into an uproar over it. And how many monuments to we find in the South for the victim of the KKK and lynchings? Very few indeed.
Care to guess how many monuments to Nazis there are in Germany? Pretty much none. Monuments to those whom the Nazis had murdered? Many.
 
ABE:
The town of Bacharach has other significance as well; from Wikpedia:
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Widely visible is the Wernerkapelle, a Rheinromantik landmark of the town, lying on the way up to Stahleck Castle from the town. It is the expanded Kunibertkapelle, and is still an unfinished Gothic ruin today. Its namesake is Werner of Oberwesel, known in connection with pogroms triggered by his death. According to the Christian blood libel, which was typical of the times, a 16-year-old Werner was murdered on Maundy Thursday 1287 by members of the local Jewish community, who then used his blood for Passover observances. On the grounds of this alleged ritual murder, there arose an anti-Semitic mob who waged a pogrom, wiping out Jewish communities in the Middle and Lower Rhine and Moselle regions. In folk Christianity arose the cult of Werner, which was only stricken from the Bishopric of Trier calendar in 1963.
I first learned of the blood libel in 1971 in my Rabbinic Literature class. Our professor, Rabbi Kalir, explained the Seder custom of opening the door just in case Elijah was in the neighborhood as being a response to the Christian blood libel that Jews kidnapped Christian children in order to drink their blood in their "secret rituals" like the Seder. So, as per Rabbi Kalir, they would open their front door to reveal to the entire community that they had nothing to hide as well as to allow anybody to test whether those glasses are filled with wine ... or blood.
And, of course, QAnon and the GQP have resurrected the blood libel.
Will those idiots never learn?

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Message 3197 of 3207 (901458)
11-10-2022 10:09 AM
Reply to: Message 3193 by Phat
11-09-2022 11:25 PM


The father of lies must have told you that.
But why would AZPaul3 have listened? He is not a creationist.

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Message 3200 of 3207 (901479)
11-10-2022 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 3199 by ringo
11-10-2022 11:44 AM


Why are you so enamoured with demons?
In my association with the Jesus Freaks circa 1970, I observed that they were very obsessed with two things:
  1. The End Times (with emphasis on the Rapture and the Beast and AntiChrist)
  2. DEMONS!
For example, when we experience a kind of paralysis when we're in REM sleep -- acting out our dreams physically would be selected against. I'm not sure how many species have that same trait -- I've observed it in our dogs.
Sometimes we're sleeping so lightly during REM that we are aware of our surroundings but still cannot move. Multiple fundamentalists have described to me that experience and they are absolutely convinced that they were being attacked by a demon. Even ones who are very intelligent and educated (well, an electrical engineer, so please just grant me that one).

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dwise1
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Message 3203 of 3207 (901707)
11-14-2022 10:41 AM
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11-14-2022 6:24 AM


Re: Sleep Paralysis
In fact, I remember one time that I experienced sleep paralysis and I too thought I was being attacked by a demon. The reason was the intense fear that I experienced during the paralysis.
Well, when that happens we're in a dream state. When we're dreaming anything can happen, plus we're much more suggestible then when we're wide awake.
But here again we see the contrast between science and ignorance. With science we can study a phenomenon and be able to figure out what it actually is. With ignorance, we just make up whatever superstitious nonsense happens to pop into our heads.

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