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Message 245 of 331 (900016)
10-22-2022 9:37 AM
Reply to: Message 237 by ringo
02-25-2018 1:10 PM


Re: Human attempts to understand God
Expounding further...
I believe that God wants us to *need* Him.
ringo writes:
Why would He "want" us to need Him?
Assuming for a moment that God has human emotions and is governed by them...He is the ultimate egomaniac. The only One in the entire universe who knows that everybody and everything needs Him, and needs to need Him. Oh, some may imagine that they don't. They gleefully suggest that humans created God and now have no further need of Him. Or they gush on unabashedly how their "skydaddy" is their b*tch and had best give them stimulus checks for eternity.
So the question could be better phrased. Why is God so petty as to need us? Surely He has better things to do. And if, after all, He created us to need Him, why not just make it a done deal?
ringo writes:
We humans like to feel we are needed - but we have other humans who need us to one extent or another. Isn't it enough that the guy on the corner needs me to give him a dollar for drugs? Should I feel inadequate because the Prime Minister doesn't ask me for advice?
The Prime Minister should be ashamed of himself for *not* asking more of the public (who have lived awhile) for advice. And the guy on the corner? He needs your dollar more than he needs you.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 246 of 331 (900019)
10-22-2022 9:44 AM
Reply to: Message 244 by Stile
03-07-2018 2:04 PM


Re: Human attempts to understand God
Stile writes:
I believe that each and every person that's-not-me has just as much right (perhaps more so) to judge me than any God that anyone has ever believed in.
Are you saying that humans know each other better than God knows them?
Stile writes:
I have over 8 billion real, living, current judges judging me.
Constantly.
I have to talk to some of them each and every day.
Most of them are too busy to give me a moment's thought.
I suppose a case could be made for learned behavior. The fact that I see, however, is that since all of us are human and none of us are perfect, we dont so much collectively judge each other as hold each other to ever more difficult standards. And then we have guys like Putin who could care less about the planet or any other fellow human and set progress back a hundred years.
Stile writes:
You have 1 judge judging you and you don't even have to look Him in the eyes until the end of your life?
Oh, but we have to look Him in the eye. His Spirit resides in some humans and if they look us in the eye, He effectively looks us in the eye!

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 247 of 331 (900021)
10-22-2022 9:58 AM
Reply to: Message 243 by ringo
03-06-2018 11:41 AM


Re: Human attempts to understand God
ringo writes:
The good father doesn't necessarily spoon-feed his children, either with bread or with knowledge. He encourages them to earn their own bread and seek their own knowledge.
Imagine if this "good father" someday sits them down and separates them into two groups. One group gets to divide the Father's inheritance among themselves. The other group gets nothing. Would that be fair?

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 250 of 331 (900115)
10-23-2022 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 248 by ringo
10-22-2022 1:23 PM


Phat Attempts To Understand Ringo
Phat writes:
Assuming for a moment that God has human emotions and is governed by them...
ringo writes:
OR... the people who made him up wanted him to have human emotions.
There are no "people" who made up God. God found us...we never invented Him. Next question?
Phat writes:
He is the ultimate egomaniac.
You do understand that that's a bad thing, don't you? (Or maybe you don't. Maybe that's why you admire Trump so much because you've created your god in Trump's image.)
Trump has nothing to do with it. I swear that in your world there are only liberals (proper people) conservatives(bad and evil people) and Canadians.(Contrarians)
I defend God as being an egomaniac with a bit of tongue-in-cheek humor but did it ever occur to you that God and God alone has a right to have a big head. You piss-ant Johnny-come-lately's are as insignificant to Him as pond scum, excepting Jesus. For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only son...
Phat writes:
The only One in the entire universe who knows that everybody and everything needs Him, and needs to need Him.
Wasn't it Thomas Paine who said that people know their own needs better than some goober on a throne an ocean away?
So now God Himself is defined by ringo of Saskatchewan as another "goober"! And you claim that having a big ego is a bad thing? Wait until the guys at the office get a load of this!
Phat writes:
They gleefully suggest that humans created God and now have no further need of Him.
Correction, NEVER needed him - at least since we stole fire from him, anyway.
Reducing God, the Creator of all seen and unseen to an anthropomorphic invention of primitive people is dishonest. I don't even think we humans are even wise enough to imagine the greatness of God...if not for Jesus.
ringo writes:
No, we give each other stimulus checks.
Well, if you and your liberal ilk were even worthy enough to be noble people of the book, you would never mandate compulsive giving beyond the tithe. You would never try and throw God away. You would never legislate nor attempt to legislate morality. You would never give people the right to self-identify, as if they even knew what was best for them (and others) You would humble yourselves, pray to the Creator of this great and grand universe, and allow Him to give you wisdom, insight, and purpose. Instead, like lemmings falling off of a cliff, you attempt to help all of the people and will end up helping none of them, once our economy collapses, we have rioting and looting in city streets, and the world sits at the brink of destruction. Even then you won't pray. You will do the easy thing and blame the conservatives!
Phat writes:
So the question could be better phrased. Why is God so petty as to need us?
We've been asking you that for a long time. The answer seems to be that you've created your god in your own image.
First of all, who is this mystical *we*? It sure as hell isn't "we the people". At best it is "we the peanut gallery!"
I note that YOU don't try to answer your own question.
I said it earlier and it is quite simple. God created us long before we were evolved enough to imagine Him.
ringo writes:
I'll tell you anecdotally why I have never voted Conservative:
In every provincial election from the time I turned eighteen until I moved into an apartment three years ago (the politicians can't get in the door), the NDP (socialist) candidate has stood on my doorstep and talked to me in person. EVERY single election (maybe fifteen of them). During that same period of time, NOT ONE Conservative candidate has EVER come to my door. NOT ONE. Full disclosure: ONE conservative canvasser did come to the door ONCE - but I have never met an actual Conservative candidate.
So it is the conservatives who are not consulting me.
Though I self-identify as a moderate, I will represent the non-Trumpian Conservatives and would gladly knock on your door any day of the week. I will even bring my own lunch and water. We can then walk to the library to talk.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 253 of 331 (900905)
11-01-2022 7:21 PM
Reply to: Message 252 by Stile
10-25-2022 11:12 AM


Did God Become An Ant In Order To Understand Humanity?
Stile writes:
I would say that God, if He is "all-knowing" would know people better than other people would... and this is why God is not a "peer." He is all-knowing, and humans are not. Therefore, a part of "not knowing everything, but judging as best we can" is a part of being human, and something that God is missing and therefore isn't able to judge us in the way we can judge ourselves. In that sense - God's judgment is lesser.

Think of growing an ant farm.
Think of yourself as "the creator" of the ants and the farm... but they go about their business doing their thing.
You could use your full data of the farm and the ants to judge them.
But the ants could use ant-available data to judge themselves.
I agree with everything you say and would only add that IF Jesus is God Incarnate that He is in effect one of the ants. God had to become an ant to understand ants.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 259 of 331 (901014)
11-03-2022 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 257 by Theodoric
11-02-2022 7:50 PM


Re: Did God Become An Ant In Order To Understand Humanity?
When people finally realized that there were two spirits even though there was One God.
No mystery there.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 260 of 331 (901016)
11-03-2022 4:05 PM
Reply to: Message 251 by ringo
10-24-2022 12:32 PM


Re: Phat Attempts To Understand Ringo
ringo writes:
The question was, "Why is God so petty as to need us?" You still haven't answered it.
The answer is that God does not need us. He wants us.And He is not petty. No human has the wisdom to make such a claim.
We were given knowledge yet cannot find the truth. Reality is incomplete. unknown as of yet. The jury is out.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 262 of 331 (901081)
11-04-2022 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 258 by Stile
11-03-2022 12:59 PM


Re: Did God Become An Ant In Order To Understand Humanity?
Stile writes:
Might have a line of argument if Jesus stayed human, and died human, and never "returned" to God.
But that didn't happen.
So it's clear that God/Jesus/Holy Spirit is not a peer of humanity.
Note the prayer purportedly said to have been prayed by Jesus: (John 17:1-26)
John 17:1-26 writes:
Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, 2 as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.
This is not a set number...at least as of yet. John 3:16 clearly says that whosoever shall believe... Critics may charge God with being selective and partial, but it appears that ALL are given the opportunity. As I have argued with ringo before, the sheep are not yet sheep and the goats are not yet goats. The music has not yet stopped.
3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
In scripture, (NT specifically) God and Jesus are portrayed as an inseperable team. You cant have one without the other.
4 I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. 5 And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
Which supports my point that Jesus existed in Spirit before He existed in carnality upon His birth.
6 "I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. 7 Now they have known that all things which You have given Me are from You. 8 For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me.
Addressing Stiles point, it appears that not ALL humans were Gods. Among themselves, however, they were all most definitely human and as a result, peers among themselves. One subgroup (Not ALL) was apparently in Communion with God, and it was the duty of these peers to influence their other peers(who were not yet chosen)
9 "I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. 10 And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them.
Critics will again claim exclusivity and favoritism by God and His Son, but note that His prayer is directed to those whom were given to Him. Technically this could include ALL, but only those in Communion. In other wotds, the one requiment is to seek Communion with God through, if nothing else, willingness for such a union to take place.
11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are.
Truly a prayer for all, though the word ALL means all God has given Jesus.
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. 13 But now I come to You, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have My joy fulfilled in themselves. 14 I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 15 I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one. 16 They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth. 18 As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. 19 And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also may be sanctified by the truth.
20 Jesus Prays for All Believers
"I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; 21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: 23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.
24 "Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world. 25 O righteous Father! The world has not known You, but I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me. 26 And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them."

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 265 of 331 (901105)
11-04-2022 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 263 by Stile
11-04-2022 12:36 PM


Re: Did God Become An Ant In Order To Understand Humanity?
Allow me to rewrite that sentence.
Addressing Stiles's point, it appears that not ALL humans belonged to Jesus(or God.) Among them, however, were some who accepted the Spirit and thus had Gods Spirit while remaining human and peers amongst humanity. Some humans are apparently in Communion with God, and it was IS the duty of these peers to influence their other peers(who were are not yet chosen...because they themselves have not yet chosen. They did not choose, as of this writing.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 267 of 331 (901128)
11-05-2022 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 266 by Stile
11-04-2022 3:42 PM


Re: Did God Become An Ant In Order To Understand Humanity?
Stile writes:
Peer means: "someone of the same age, the same social position, or having the same abilities as other people in a group."
In this context, it's "having the same abilities as other people."

God does not have the same abilities as humans. Isn't He supposed to be all great and stuff?

If God is all great and stuff... then He has abilities that humans do not.
So if you are alluding to the fact that the same criteria apply to Jesus, I can see how Jesus, even if He existed, would somehow not be easily approachable by you. You seemingly do not trust anyone or anything that is more than a peer. Am I close?

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 268 of 331 (901382)
11-08-2022 6:19 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by ringo
05-01-2007 10:44 AM


Re: TOPIC SYNOPSIS I
ringo writes:
You can have your communion with God without depending on Him to change your diapers.
I agree.
I depend on Him to give me wisdom that education and secular information alone cannot provide.

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Message 272 of 331 (901425)
11-09-2022 5:22 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by ringo
11-09-2022 3:05 PM


Re: TOPIC SYNOPSIS I
Because I'm human.

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Message 274 of 331 (901431)
11-09-2022 11:15 PM
Reply to: Message 273 by AZPaul3
11-09-2022 6:22 PM


Re: TOPIC SYNOPSIS I
The only way I would "imagine"that is if I preferred that reality...which I don't..
The God I believe in can only be ignored by you because He allows you that freedom.

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Message 276 of 331 (901453)
11-10-2022 8:52 AM
Reply to: Message 275 by AZPaul3
11-10-2022 1:30 AM


Re: TOPIC SYNOPSIS I
He might keep you around for your sense of humor...if nothing else.

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Message 279 of 331 (901591)
11-12-2022 7:46 PM
Reply to: Message 269 by Taq
11-08-2022 6:37 PM


Re: TOPIC SYNOPSIS I
I really respect your response and world view.
You hit the nail on the by suggesting societal consensus.
I feel that society must find common ground that transcends both religious beliefs and political ldeology. Facts may suggest that religions are based on myths but people would die to defend their beliefs....though in today's world they need not do so.
We all will likely face some tough times together. Let's not ruin the opportunity to help each other.

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