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Topic: Coffee House Musings on Creationist Topic Proposals
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 1036 of 1429 (901085)
11-04-2022 12:27 PM
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Reply to: Message 1033 by Taq
11-04-2022 11:55 AM
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Re: UCD evidence
Taq writes: We are testing the hypothesis of common descent.
We are? Er, no ... not me. That is not my argument. I'm not interested in "testing the hypothesis of common descent". Do try and pay attention.
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 1037 of 1429 (901086)
11-04-2022 12:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 1034 by Stile
11-04-2022 11:56 AM
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Re: UCD evidence
Listen, Stale ... if you mention that dumb analogy one more time, I will not invite you to my birthday party; nor will I send you a Xmas card. I give you fair warning.
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Re: UCD evidence
Now what sort of way is that to speak to a friend? You have greatly disappointed me, wrongsmith. I expected better from you.
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Taq
Member Posts: 10084 Joined: 03-06-2009 Member Rating: 5.1
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Message 1039 of 1429 (901088)
11-04-2022 12:34 PM
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Reply to: Message 1036 by Dredge
11-04-2022 12:27 PM
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Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes: I'm not interested in "testing the hypothesis of common descent". Then all you are interested in is empty rhetoric, it would appear.
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Stile
Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: 12-02-2004
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Message 1040 of 1429 (901091)
11-04-2022 12:43 PM
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Reply to: Message 1037 by Dredge
11-04-2022 12:31 PM
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Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes: Listen, Stile I'm glad you asked. You see, it's a decent analogy because it relates to how fundamental UCD is to biology and technological advancements of medicine. Just as nuts and bolts are fundamental to the production of vehicles. And most people understand how vehicles are very reliant on nuts and bolts - even though nuts and bolts are not generally mentioned in manuals or descriptions of how the vehicle works. But most people don't understand a lot about how important UCD is to biology and medicinal technology. So this analogy really reaches out to them and help them get a feeling for just how much of a fundamental aspect UCD really is. The point is that nuts and bolts are irrevocably important to the manufacture of vehicles. Understanding this importance leads to greater vehicle technology. The point is that UCD is irrevocably important to those genetic similarities existing. Understanding this importance leads to greater biological/medicinal technology.
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 1041 of 1429 (901115)
11-05-2022 12:25 AM
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Reply to: Message 1040 by Stile
11-04-2022 12:43 PM
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Re: UCD evidence
Stale writes: The point is that nuts and bolts are irrevocably important to the manufacture of vehicles. Understanding this importance leads to greater vehicle technology. The point is that UCD is irrevocably important to those genetic similarities existing. Understanding this importance leads to greater biological/medicinal technology.
Stale, you're a bloody fool! I warned you to never mention that moronic analogy again ... but you did. Therefore, I have no choice but to serve you the justice you deserve: Violà ... Be advised that I have torn up your Xmas card and chucked it in the bin. I have done likewise with your invitation to my birthday party (no cake and soda for you!). And now don't come crying to me, begging for mercy ... you will get none. It's too late and there is no avenue of appeal. You have no one to blame but your stupid bloody self!
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 1040 by Stile, posted 11-04-2022 12:43 PM | | Stile has replied |
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Taq writes: evolution created the genetic similarities between species that medical science makes use of.
If no one believed evolution created those genetic similarities between species, would those genetic similarities still exist?
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Tanypteryx writes: evolution created the genetic similarities between species that medical science makes use of.
If no one believed evolution created those genetic similarities, would those genetic similarities still exist?
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 1044 of 1429 (901118)
11-05-2022 12:58 AM
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Reply to: Message 1042 by Dredge
11-05-2022 12:56 AM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Sorry, wrong address.
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Stile
Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: 12-02-2004
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Message 1045 of 1429 (901123)
11-05-2022 9:20 AM
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Reply to: Message 1041 by Dredge
11-05-2022 12:25 AM
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Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes: Stile, you're a bloody fool Yes, I really should be including welds with the nuts and bolts. But I just prefer the gritty old-time feel of the phrase "nuts and bolts" that really drives home the fundamental aspect of the analogy. The point is that nuts and bolts are irrevocably important to the manufacture of vehicles. Understanding this importance leads to greater vehicle technology. The point is that UCD is irrevocably important to those genetic similarities existing. Understanding this importance leads to greater biological/medicinal technology.
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Stile
Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: 12-02-2004
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Message 1046 of 1429 (901124)
11-05-2022 9:25 AM
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Reply to: Message 1043 by Dredge
11-05-2022 12:57 AM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes: If no one believed evolution created those genetic similarities, would those genetic similarities still exist? "If no one believed nuts and bolts held things together, would vehicles remain assembled?"  Round and round again! The point is that nuts and bolts are irrevocably important to the manufacture of vehicles. Understanding this importance leads to greater vehicle technology. The point is that UCD is irrevocably important to those genetic similarities existing. Understanding this importance leads to greater biological/medicinal technology.
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4444 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.1
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Message 1047 of 1429 (901126)
11-05-2022 10:28 AM
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Reply to: Message 1043 by Dredge
11-05-2022 12:57 AM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Sludge writes: Tanypteryx writes: evolution created the genetic similarities between species that medical science makes use of.
If no one believed evolution created those genetic similarities, would those genetic similarities still exist? Yes, of course. Just like God will still be imaginary not matter how many people believe in it.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Phat
Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
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Message 1048 of 1429 (901129)
11-05-2022 11:41 AM
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Reply to: Message 1041 by Dredge
11-05-2022 12:25 AM
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Re: UCD evidence
Not sure how to react to this post. Is this thinly veiled sarcasm? It falls flat in my mind.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Phat
Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
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If Spideys Exist
Yes, of course. Just like God will still be imaginary not matter how many people believe in it. Allow me to correct that for you. God could be imaginary and no matter how many people believe it would be irrelevant. OR... God could actually exist, in which case no amount of science, philosophy, or supposed human evidence could wave Him away.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1050 of 1429 (901150)
11-05-2022 12:52 PM
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Reply to: Message 1049 by Phat
11-05-2022 11:44 AM
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Re: If Spideys Exist
Phat writes: God could actually exist, in which case no amount of science, philosophy, or supposed human evidence could wave Him away.
The earth could be flat, in which case no amount of science, philosophy, or supposed human evidence could wave Him away. Wrong, obviously. The existence of something IS a little different. Unicorns could actually exist, in which case no amount of science, philosophy, or supposed human evidence could wave them away. But if there is no evidence that unicorns exist, they are irrelevant for any practical purpose.
Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie
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