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Author | Topic: Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..." | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Kleinman Member (Idle past 363 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:I don't have to read your mind on that one, you told us you don't do the mathematics of biology. Obviously, the math is too difficult for you. Let's try this one again and take the simplest example of descent with modification. What is the mathematical explanation for the reason that it takes a billion replications for each adaptive evolutionary step in the Kishony experiment? At least Tany can answer that one, his problem is that he thinks DNA evolution works differently for viruses, bacteria, and yeasts than for complex, multicellular sexually replicating organisms. I wonder if all biologists agree on that?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8561 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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I thought I heard some shouting coming thru the void. No, Just Kleinman again.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 363 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
AZPaul3:You might as well get used to it, somebody has to teach novices, laymen, and biologists how descent with modification works.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
Now you can show us how it was calculated. It means 10-50 ... 10^-50 ... 1/10⁵⁰"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
Yes, I know it is.
ringo writes:
Correct. So you admit that it's only "the mathematics of God" that you're using and not real mathematics. Dredge writes:
So the "mathematics of God" is totally unscientific. You have no hope of understanding the mathematics of God coz you're an atheist. So whenever you mention the "mathematics of God" we can disregard it."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
But you're not making a rational, reasonable argument. You seem to have ignored the part that says,"Although not truly impossible the probability is low enough so as to not bear mention in a rational, reasonable argument." My odds are the same in every draw. Kleinman's notions about "multiplying probabilities" DO NOT apply in this context. The probability is the same in every draw.
Dredge writes:
It isn't. It's the same in every draw. In other words, since the probabilty of the same person winning the lottery 1000 times in a row is much much less than 10^-50 (cf. 2.414×10^-8000)"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
That's how the paramedics do it. Thus, according to dwise1 logic, an actual Christian would believe that Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead by using natural processes."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
Not just atheists. Everybody but you. Notice that even your hero Kleinman isn't acknowledging your "mathematics of God" fantasy. Well of course you think the mathematics of God is "complete and utter bullshit ... utterly false ... completely useless" - you're an atheist. And Aztecs might believe in the mathematics of Quetzalcoatl."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8561 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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... somebody has to teach novices, laymen, and biologists how descent with modification works. And it sure ain't going to be you. You have shown yourself to be incompetent.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 363 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:AZPaul3 has made some progress, he now knows that biologists don't know how to explain descent with modification.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
ringo writes:
The supernatural is by definition, unscientific. So the "mathematics of God" is totally unscientific. The mathematics of God is as unscientific as abiogenesis.
So whenever you mention the "mathematics of God" we can disregard it.
You have no choice but to disregard it ... atheists cannot understand or even see the mathematics of God.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
ringo writes:
The Aztecs perished because their civilisation was based on superstition and false gods, all orchestrated by demons. And Aztecs might believe in the mathematics of Quetzalcoatl. Along came the true God's missionaries and colonizers to put an end to that pagan abomination.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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Oh yeah thats right you guys think genocide and child rape is a good thing as long as it is done for the glory of your deity.
May you rot in the hell you believe in. What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8561 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Along came the true God's missionaries and colonizers to put an end to that pagan abomination. They also brought disease, war, needless bloodshed. In the 200 years after Pizarro your religion and it's faithful killed about 60% of the indigenous population on the whole continent. Your god is evil.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Actually the figure is probably in excess of 90%.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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