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Dredge Member (Idle past 95 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Yes, the value of P ranges from 0 to 1. But the probability of abiogenesis occurring naturally is less than zero ... because producing life from inanimate matter is a not only a scientific impossibility, it is a miracle that only God can perform ... hence its miraculous and scientifically-impossible probability of less than zero.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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And you manage to contradict yourself in 54 words.
I'll leave you be - you've dug your own hole here.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 356 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Dredge:What Dredge is saying is that the creation of life is not a stochastic process.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 95 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
vimesey writes:
Well, of course it would seem like a contradiction to an atheist, for an atheist cannot understand the mathematics of God.
you manage to contradict yourself in 54 words.
I wouldn't know about that - I can't count that high.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5948 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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Well, of course it would seem like a contradiction to an atheist, for an atheist cannot understand the mathematics of God. Is that anything like Bistromathics, which is based on the observation that the laws of mathematics break down completely when you're trying to figure out what each person in the group owes at a bistro:
quote: And actually atheists do understand and have figured out the "mathematics of God".
It doesn't add up! Which is one reason why we are atheists. Nu?
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 356 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
dwise1:dwise1 will now present his experimental evidence that verifies his mathematical model.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5948 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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What Dredge is saying is that the creation of life is not a stochastic process. Who cares? It's like the demonstration chant:
quote: Regardless of how life arose, it did. And as soon as life did arise, evolution started working (maybe even before then). Evolution is the end result of life doing what life does. If you have life, then you also have evolution. You cannot separate the two. And if you were an actual creationist (instead of just a fake one) then you would know that even in the case of life arising through natural physical processes that the Creator had created those very processes, so life arising through natural processes would not in any way contradict the Creator. But being a clueless fake creationist, that would never have occurred to you. Creationists trying to deflect and divert the discussion to abiogenesis (an entirely different issue from evolution) is nothing but pure bullshit.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5948 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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HAA HAA HAA!
You fucking idiotic creationist! Just because you do not have a math model for evolution doesn't mean that those pointing out that your emperor has no clothes have one themselves.
What a fucking idiot you are! HAA HAA HAA! But seriously, we can smell your bullshit from a mile away. And it doesn't even begin to approach the smell of sandalwood.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 95 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
dwise1 writes:
Thank you for proving my point.
the "mathematics of God" ... It doesn't add up! ... we are atheists.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 356 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
dwise1:So much anger and jealousy, you need mercy.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5948 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
Like I pointed out (and you even quoted and yet still don't understand), it don't mean a thing if you ain't got the right math model (doo-wah, doo-wah, doo-wah).
You're nothing but a bullshitting creationist who knows nothing more than your script. Most creationists are completely incapable of functioning outside of their scripts because they don't even begin to understand any part of their scripts. Maybe you are marginally better off than they are. Part of the problem is that while typical creationist scripts are almost trivially easy to expose as bullshit, IDiot scripts are a tougher nut to crack. Yes, they are still bullshit, but they are a better quality of bullshit (though it still doesn't smell like sandalwood). Mainly they are couched in non-trivial math and mathematical concepts (eg, information theory) that most people are not intimately familiar with, which requires refuters to have training in those esoteric fields in order to expose that bullshit for what it is. As Fred Edwords said nearly half a century ago about creationist nonsense (slightly paraphrased from memory):
quote: It doesn't matter even a single fetid dingo's kidney, let alone a load of them, how good your math is if your math model is total bollocks. I would be a fool to use my mortgage spreadsheet to figure out my income tax, or to try to solve the Kepler problem with my greenhouse control software, so why do you think that you can do the same thing and get the right results in violation of all the laws of Nature? Seriously, Littleman, unlike physics (which is rather simple to model) biology is not simple! If it would help, think of "biology" as a euphemism for sex (though judging by your apparent ignorance of sexual reproduction, it seems that your father never had The Talk with you). Biology is complicated and messy. Very messy. And very wet. When my general contractor father first tried to explain a sex bolt to me, I assumed it was called that because it was incomprehensible.
If you use a bogus math model than it doesn't matter a single fetid dingo's kidney how good your math is. Why does that simple truth repeatedly fly over your head? In computer science we have an acronym for that: GIGO -- "garbage in, garbage out" (or in your case, "garbage in, Gospel out" -- also, GIGO played a part in my former rating symbol for Data Systems Technician, DS (not apparent in the graphic, on the rate badge the inbound arrows were filled in and the outbound was empty, so "unprocessed garbage in, processed garbage out").
Half a century ago (c. 1970) I read Jesus Freak proselytizing training materials in which their tactic was to hit their victims with non-trivial questions intended to throw those victims off balance in order to either make them vulnerable to conversion or else to make on-lookers lose confidence in them. It is all dishonest bullshit! For the past few decades of trying to deal with creationists, they just keep using those same old bullshit tactics of the Jesus Freaks half a century ago! (so they/you haven't learned anything at all in the meantime?) Nothing that you have done here has been any different. Nu? (if you don't know any Yiddish, just refer to your Russian, ну?)
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5948 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
Wow! You're nothing but a typical willfully stupid creationist!
HAA HAA HAA! So what are we supposed to think of your willfully stupid religion and god?
You fucking idiot! HAA HAA HAA!
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
Go ahead and show us your calculations on that.
The probability of life arising naturally from inanimate matter would be LESS than zero ... Dredge writes:
Correct. Are you that ignorant about probability? Ask Kleinman. I think he's smart enough to tell you the same thing I'm telling you.
ringo logic: "The probability of me winning the lottery one thousand times in row is not zero ... therefore it could happen." Dredge writes:
That depends entirely on the context. If the lottery is drawn once a week, it would take almost twenty years for me to win 1000 times. Certainly possible. But if the lottery was drawn once a year, it would take a thousand years. Not possible (but only because I wouldn't be alive. My numbers could still win). A statistical impossibility is a probability that is so low as to not be worthy of mentioning. You don't have any basis for your claim about the probability of abiogenesis. Show us your calculations. What chemicals are you starting with? What end product are you shooting for?"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5948 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
Thank you for proving my point. What point? That we can see through the stupidity of your position?
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
Tell your disciple. It's good to see that vimesey has some understanding of probability theory."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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