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Kleinman Member (Idle past 356 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:You are assuming that the pattern of color can only vary by DNA evolution when recombination can have a very rapid effect on phenotype, including fur color. A better example of DNA evolution would be an albino leopard where a mutation in a recessive gene would lead to pigmentation absence. One could expect that mutation to occur in about 1/(mutation rate) replications of your leopard population.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 356 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Dredge:Don't take Tany too seriously. Tany is just frustrated that he doesn't have any experimental evidence to justify his belief that he is related to chimpanzees. The experimental evidence actually contradicts his beliefs so he figures if he acts like a chimpanzee and throws some poop around that it will make his belief system seem more real.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 356 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Porkncheese:Welcome to the discussion Porkncheese. The are a lot of strange things that are being called science these days. With regard to the theory of evolution, not everything is wrong in that theory. The flaw in that theory is in the concept of universal common descent. The mathematical reason for this flaw is that the multiplication rule of probabilities applies to biological evolution, specifically DNA adaptive evolution. The treatment of someone with gender confusion with surgery is analogous to treating someone with depression with a lobotomy. And the problem with this covid vaccination episode is the sloppy job of creating ineffective vaccines with incomplete testing, in an environment of fear caused by politicians and pharmaceutical companies for their own gains and very poor expert advice on the purpose and the way vaccines work.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
That's a bit different, I suppose - Darwinists usually throw bullshit around.
The experimental evidence actually contradicts his beliefs so he figures if he acts like a chimpanzee and throws some poop around that it will make his belief system seem more real.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Tanypteryx writes:
You must be joking. I'm nowhere near Kleinman's equal - he's much, much smarter than I am.
Kleinman's equal.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Homer Simpson makes more sense than your average Darwinist.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4411 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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Perhaps you want to explain to us this finding from the Desai yeast experiment Why would I want to? Perhaps you can explain the patterns of endogenous retroviral insertions in human and chimp genomes.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4411 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Oh, are you ashamed to be related to chimps, Kleiny? How embarrassing for you.
Tany is just frustrated that he doesn't have any experimental evidence to justify his belief that he is related to chimpanzees. And you have presented absolutely no experimental evidence on chimps or humans.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4411 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
I'm nowhere near Kleinman's equal And yet you both use the same playbook for your style of argument.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 356 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:Most biologists have no idea what Darwinian Evolution is. In fact, most people don't understand what Darwinian Evolution is. In a sense, I would consider myself a Darwinist because I think that Darwin gives is a correct qualitative understanding of biological evolution. But I also consider myself a Creationist because I know how to quantify (do the mathematics) of Darwinian Evolution. I wrote a short paper that is easy to understand and explains the physics of Darwinian Evolution. The Physics of Darwinian Evolution Take a look at that paper and tell me what you think. Tanypteryx:Don't underestimate yourself. I happen to know something about biological evolution because I have a professional and spiritual interest in the subject. My professional interest is that I have had to deal many times with drug-resistant infections in my medical practice. My spiritual interest is because I happen to believe in the Bible and claims about evolution appear to show the Bible is wrong. My training and experience in engineering have given me the scientific tools to investigate this phenomenon in a way biologists are not trained. It wasn't my plan to do this when I decided to study medicine but Proverbs 16:9 tells this story for my life. God gives us all gifts. Try to know what these gifts are and exercise them for His purposes. Dredge:
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 356 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Dredge:Tany, your problem is that your playbook is 40 years old. We're now in the era of DNA sequencing. Why don't you send a sample of your DNA and a chimp's DNA to ancestry.com and see if you are related?
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4411 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Tany, your problem is that your playbook is 40 years old. Kleiny, your problem is you think magic explains the the genetic relationships of life on this planet.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 356 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:Don't be silly Tany, physics, and mathematics isn't magic. These are the tools that scientists use to explain the phenomena that surround us. You should learn something about these subjects. It isn't that hard, it just requires some study and practice.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
Great idea. The results would be very interesting.
Why don't you send a sample of your DNA and a chimp's DNA to ancestry.com and see if you are related?
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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Tanypteryx writes:
It seems to me that the science of genetics is still in its infancy. Don't be surprised to find that in 50 years time, geneticists will have a very different understanding of ERVs than they do now.
Perhaps you can explain the patterns of endogenous retroviral insertions in human and chimp genomes.
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