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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
dwise1 writes:
The Holy Spirit doesn't work through individuals ... he works through the Church - the one, true Church - ie, the Catholic Church. Therefore there is only one "proper interpretation of Scripture" - the Catholic interpretation. relying on the Holy Spirit to lead Christians into the proper interpretation of Scripture led to there being about 45,000 different Christian denominations and sects because of differences in interpretation. That explains why outside the Holy Spirit-guided Catholic Church there exists - unsurprisingly - a chaotic and confusing mess of interpretations.
Differences that shouldn't exist if the Holy Spirit had done its job, which it obviously didn't!
Incorrect. The Holy Spirit has certainly "done its job" ... infallibly, in fact, through the Catholic Church. When Christians who operate outside the Catholic Church interpret Scripture, they do so without the infallible guidance of the Holy Spirit, which is why they come up with endless errors and conflicting opinions ... resulting in 45,000 different denominations.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
ringo writes:
... in which case that cynic would not understand that he is conflating two very different and separate things. A cynic might even wonder why an infallible Holy Spirit would appoint so many child molesters to lofty positions in the Church. 1. The Holy Spirit guarantees to provide infallible interpretations of Scripture through the hierarchy of the Catholic Church.2. The Holy Spirit does not override the free will of any human being nor prevent anyone from choosing to sin ... regardless of their position in the Church.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
Phat writes:
The first mistake non-Catholic Christians (nCCs) make is believing that the Bible is the primary source of Christian knowledge and the "pillar and foundation of the truth" ... but it isn't - the CHURCH is (1Tim 3:15). The Bible came from the Church, not vice-versa. I'm one of the 45,000 who disagree. And I don't even go to church that much. But I will confidently say that the Roman Catholic Church has no monopoly on the Holy Spirit. The second mistake nCCs make is believing that the guidance of the Holy Spirit enables every individual Christian to correctly interpret Scripture and thus determine correct and full doctrine. This is nonsense ... clearly evidenced by the fact there exists an almost infinite number of different and conflicting interpretations of Scripture outside the Catholic Church. If the HS were guiding each and every nCC, they would all be expressing exactly the same interpretations ... but they don't. Furthermore, it strikes me as really odd that - despite claiming to be guided by the Holy Spirit - no nCCs has enough confidence in themselves or the Holy Spirit to declare that their personal interpretation of Scripture is infallibly correct. Ask them who has the infallible interpretation of Scripture and they can't tell you ... so much for the guidance of the Holy Spirit! Jesus said the HS "will guide you into all the truth" (John 16:13), but nCCs don't know what "all the truth" is bcoz they don't know anyone who has "all the truth"!
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
Phat writes:
No need to assume ... I made that obvious in the previous post when I wrote, "non-Catholic Christians (nCCs)"
I'm assuming that nCCs=non Catholic Christians And why would I believe that only the Pope is privy to having the Holy Spirit?
I don't know. I'm not aware of anyone who believes that.
Or do you suggest that Cardinals can get Spooktacular results too?
The Holy Spirit is at work in every Christian, but in a special way in the bishops of the Church, and in a more special way still in the bishop of Rome, the Pope (who holds the "keys of the kingdom of heaven" - Matt 16:19). The Holy Spirit works through the Pope and the bishops to ensure that the Church's teachings are infallibly correct and are faithfully passed on to each generation.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
candle2 writes:
Hilarious. Protestant myths are so entertaining.
300 of the 318 delegates at Nicaea (325 AD) wereintimidated into voting in favor of the trinity. The universal Church strictly forbad it subjects from owning Bibles. They also refused the Bible to be written in any language except Latin.
... and for good reason. Once the masses got hold of the Bible, any ignoramus or idiot could read it and invent erroneous and heretical doctrines, stupidly claiming to be "led by the Holy Spirit". That's why there now exist 46,000 fake churches, all teaching fake Christianity based on fake doctrines based on fake interpretations of the Bible.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
candle2 writes:
Thanx for the laughs. The RCC is perhaps the most evil and vile organizationon earth ... The Pope, Cardinals, and Bishops know that they are in league with Satan and his demons. They have sold themselves to Satan for power and prestige. Which demented fake-church do you belong to? Are you a Calvinist, by any chance?
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
candle2 writes:
Where does the Catholic Encyclopedia or Catholic Church say that? A citation, please.
They state correctly that the NT does not support Sunday worship.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
candle2 writes:
Is your interpretation of the Bible infallibly correct?
You are right Ringo; I am against any practice that isnot Biblical.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
So what "church" do you belong to? Or are you your own "church" because you are infallibly led by the Holy Spirit?
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
candle2 writes:
This Catholic article contradicts your claim: They state correctly that the NT does not support Sunday worship. What the Early Church Believed: Sabbath or Sunday? | Catholic Answers
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
Why reject belief in God on account of the Bible? You could reject the God of the Bible and still believe in God ... even a Creator God.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
You said "I became an atheist [i][b]by reading the Bible[/i][/b]". But now you're saying something different ... it's not the Bible that turned you into an atheist - you're an atheist bcoz you can't believe in any God in any way, shape or form.
You should have said that in the first place.
It's never been about any rejection of a particular god (you theists do that all the time) or even gods in general (that next step you don't take), but rather it's about rejection of religion and religious dogma.
Nope, I don't buy that. You could reject all religions and religious dogma and still believe in God. In fact, that was my position for many years, until I returned to the Catholic faith. Atheists may cite different reasons for not believing in God, but the bottom-line is they become atheists simply because they don't want to believe that there is a God. Here's how it goes:If you want to believe in God, you'll find a way. If you don't want to believe in God, you'll find a way.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
Spoken like a true atheist.
I wonder what evidence would satisfy someone who wants to never believe?
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Porkncheese writes:
I never seen any Catholic worship Mary.
And then you can throw in a 4th deity when you see Catholics worshiping Mary as well.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes:
Fossils offer us only a very limited understanding of the past. For starters, they offer only peroidic snapshots of what happened ... they don't tell us what happened between the snapshots, which could be millions of years apart. we do have crystal balls. They are called museums, universities and like that. Loaded with millions of fossils and lots of people way smarter than you we get to look into the past Furthermore, the hypothesis that one fossil represents the evolutionary ancestor/descendant of another fossil cannot be tested. Even if it could be proven that Fossil A is the evolutionary ancestor of Fossil B, they tell us nothing about how B evolved from A. Science can use fossils in arriving at the best scientific explanation for what happened in the past, but that doesn't mean that explanation is an accurate representation of the truth. No one can prove anything, so it all boils down to believing what you want to believe.Atheists (which includes most evolutionary scientists) religiously believe and preach the Darwinist version of history and think the god of science has all the answers ... which is bs-fantasy bcoz it's impossible for anyone to know what really happened.
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