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candle2
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Message 556 of 1864 (899161)
10-09-2022 3:19 PM
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10-09-2022 3:02 PM


Re: Topic Synopsis
You are right Ringo; I am against any practice that is
not Biblical.

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ringo
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Message 557 of 1864 (899162)
10-09-2022 3:24 PM
Reply to: Message 556 by candle2
10-09-2022 3:19 PM


Re: Topic Synopsis
candle2 writes:
I am against any practice that is
not Biblical.
Like creationism.
I was just looking at a thread called Show me why Sunday is the day. You might be interested.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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candle2
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Message 558 of 1864 (899164)
10-09-2022 4:04 PM
Reply to: Message 557 by ringo
10-09-2022 3:24 PM


Re: Topic Synopsis
Ringo, Sunday is simply referred to as the "first day of
the week."
Even decades after the death of Christ it was still
referred to as the "first day of the week."
The Catholic Encyclopedia states that Sunday worship
was initiated by the sole authority of the RCC. They state
correctly that the NT does not support Sunday worship.
The CE states as fact that all these other churches
followed the example of the RCC. This they assert is
clear proof of the RCC God given right to Trump clear
Biblical teachings.
Both Rome and the RCC have sentenced many to death
for not working on the Seventh Day Sabbath and resting
on Sunday.
Sunday worship is a mark of the Holy Roman Empire.
Both of these beasts are discussed in Revelations 13.

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Dredge
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Message 559 of 1864 (899168)
10-09-2022 5:12 PM
Reply to: Message 558 by candle2
10-09-2022 4:04 PM


Re: Topic Synopsis
candle2 writes:
They state correctly that the NT does not support Sunday worship.
Where does the Catholic Encyclopedia or Catholic Church say that? A citation, please.

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Dredge
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Message 560 of 1864 (899169)
10-09-2022 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 556 by candle2
10-09-2022 3:19 PM


Re: Topic Synopsis
candle2 writes:
You are right Ringo; I am against any practice that is
not Biblical.
Is your interpretation of the Bible infallibly correct?

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Dredge
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Message 561 of 1864 (899170)
10-09-2022 5:20 PM
Reply to: Message 554 by candle2
10-09-2022 2:44 PM


Re: Topic Synopsis
So what "church" do you belong to? Or are you your own "church" because you are infallibly led by the Holy Spirit?

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Message 562 of 1864 (899188)
10-09-2022 7:27 PM
Reply to: Message 558 by candle2
10-09-2022 4:04 PM


Re: Topic Synopsis
Ringo, Sunday is simply referred to as the "first day of
the week."
Yes, "Yom Rishon" ("First Day" -- sorry for transliterating rather than futzing with HTML entity codes for Hebrew). And everybody knows which day is Yom Shabbath even if they prefer to use the Sun's Day (early Catholic missionaries were infamous for assimilating the pagan religions -- both their sites and their gods).
Sunday worship is a mark of the Holy Roman Empire.
No, Sunday worship was already well established before the Holy Roman Empire formed out of the divisions circa 900 CE of Charles the Great's (AKA Charlemagne) Carolingian Empire formed in 800 CE (basing that on the date of his coronation as Emperor). BTW, that was the First Reich (800 - 1806, hence Hitler's conceit that his Third Reich would last 1000 years), the Second Reich was created at the end of the Franco-Prussian War in 1870 (and ended with defeat in WWI), and we all should know about the Third Reich.
The damage had already been done long before the Holy Roman Empire.
 
BTW, condolences on your Great Disappointment.

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ringo
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Message 563 of 1864 (899205)
10-10-2022 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 558 by candle2
10-09-2022 4:04 PM


Re: Topic Synopsis
candle2 writes:
Sunday is simply referred to as the "first day of
the week."
Just out of curiosity, how do you know what the "first day" of the creation week was?
I can see how an extremely loose interpretation of the Old Testament could give Bishop Usher the year but how could he get it down to the month, day and even the hour? (I know there's a lot of woulda-colulda-shoulda nonsense about equinoxes, etc. but the Bible doesn't support any of that.)
It seems to me that there are vast gaps in continuity that make if impossible to say with any confidence what day is THE sabbath in the present.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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Message 564 of 1864 (899222)
10-10-2022 7:51 PM
Reply to: Message 563 by ringo
10-10-2022 12:03 PM


Re: Topic Synopsis
As a Last Thursdayist none of this matters to me. But lord help those heretic Last Tuesdayists.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Dredge
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Message 565 of 1864 (899225)
10-10-2022 8:53 PM
Reply to: Message 558 by candle2
10-09-2022 4:04 PM


Re: Topic Synopsis
candle2 writes:
They state correctly that the NT does not support Sunday worship.
This Catholic article contradicts your claim:
What the Early Church Believed: Sabbath or Sunday? | Catholic Answers

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Phat
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Message 566 of 1864 (899266)
10-11-2022 10:25 AM
Reply to: Message 565 by Dredge
10-10-2022 8:53 PM


Re: Topic Synopsis
You guys are being too legalistic. To sabbath means to rest in Christ. Any day can be a sabbath, but one must take the time seriously.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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candle2
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Message 567 of 1864 (899267)
10-11-2022 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 566 by Phat
10-11-2022 10:25 AM


Re: Topic Synopsis
Phat, point out to me in the Bible where Jesus said that
any day is the Sabbath.
Point it out to me where any of the Apostles said that
any day can be the Sabbath.
The Bible is very specific about which day is the
Sabbath.
Jesus said that to break the least of His commandments,
or to teach others to do so, is the same as breaking
them all.
To disobey a direct command from God is not a good
thing.
I spent nine years in an orphanage. During this nine
years we attended a Church of Christ three times a
a week.
I believed that Sunday had replaced the Seventh Day
Sabbath with all my heart.
It is extremely difficult to challenge ourselves as to why
we believe what we do.
As for being legal, what is wrong with that?
Do you want the deeds to your house and car to be
legal?
You seem to think that those keeping the Saturday
Sabbath are trying to earn salvation, rather than trying
to obey God.
Do you think that those who don't steal or murder are
trying to be legalistic?
How about those who honor their parents. Are they
trying to be legalistic?
Don't you think that it sounds cheap and tacky to single
out one Commandment and say that those who obey it
are somehow inferior to those who obey the other
Commandments.

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candle2
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Message 568 of 1864 (899268)
10-11-2022 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 563 by ringo
10-10-2022 12:03 PM


Re: Topic Synopsis
Ringo, the Jews have kept meticulous records.
The Jews have records that show which day Christ
kept.

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ringo
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Message 569 of 1864 (899273)
10-11-2022 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 568 by candle2
10-11-2022 11:46 AM


Re: Topic Synopsis
candle2 writes:
Ringo, the Jews have kept meticulous records.
So show us the records from the year 4004 B.C.E.
candle2 writes:
The Jews have records that show which day Christ
kept.
Jesus was Jewish. He obviously kept the Sabbath (Saturday). The question is, How did HE know that the Jews were keeping the "right" day? Where are the records going back to the year 4004 B.C.E.?

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
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Message 570 of 1864 (899274)
10-11-2022 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 566 by Phat
10-11-2022 10:25 AM


Re: Topic Synopsis
Phat writes:
To sabbath means to rest in Christ.
It certainly does not. "Christ" has nothing to do with it.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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