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Author Topic:   The Problem of Suffering
ringo
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Message 85 of 107 (898531)
09-25-2022 3:50 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by Phat
09-25-2022 3:47 PM


Re: The Problem Of Evil
Phat writes:
Look at the Ukraine War that I mentioned above. Is that "efficient"?
What has that got to do with the efficiency of the species?
Phat writes:
Disservice??!! Since when should we "serve" evolution?
Don't be stupid. Look up "disservice".
Phat writes:
You seem to think that we will evolve into people with starships exploring an unknown universe!
How many times do I have to tell you that we can not predict evolution?

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 88 of 107 (898535)
09-25-2022 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by Phat
09-25-2022 3:51 PM


Re: The Problem Of Evil
Phat writes:
You DO know that the whole Climate Change argument centers on who gets to try and clean it up---private enterprise or public government, of which you love and serve (as long as they are Liberals)
1. Stop trying to change the subject.
2. Your hatred of government and Liberals is noted.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 90 of 107 (898538)
09-25-2022 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by Phat
09-25-2022 2:55 PM


Re: The Problem Of Evil
Phat writes:
Remember "It's A Wonderful Life?"
I do. And you didn't reply to what you quoted.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 91 of 107 (898539)
09-25-2022 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by Greatest I am
09-25-2022 2:48 PM


Re: The Problem Of Evil
Greatest I am writes:
You were complaining about us creating dead matter with each other, the source of life.

What is that? Irony? IDK because I do not usually analyze and use such adjectives.
You asked if there was a better possibility than nature red in tooth and claw. I suggested one. You don't have to squirm so hard to get out of it.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 95 of 107 (898631)
09-27-2022 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by Greatest I am
09-25-2022 4:03 PM


Re: The Problem Of Evil
Greatest I am writes:
if killing as a concept is not dualistic, with an extreme evil end, and another end where killing it might be ok.
You have a strange notion of what dualism means. You just described a spectrum, not a duality. A dualistic concept is black and white, not a continuum with a lot of gays.
Killing certainly has a lot of gray areas. It is not dualistic.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 100 of 107 (898643)
09-27-2022 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by Greatest I am
09-27-2022 1:02 PM


Re: The Problem Of Evil
Greatest I am writes:
Again, on a graph between dualistic points, there can be many degrees.
Again, that is not dualism.
Greatest i am writes:
The first biblical dualistic hint might be the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

Pick anything evil and tell us if ot is only black or white.
Of course good and evil are not either black or white. Therefore, it is not a dualistic situation. Black, gray, gray, gray, gray, gray, gray, gray, gray, gray, gray, gray, gray, white is NOT two alternatives.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 107 of 107 (898680)
09-27-2022 10:07 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by Phat
09-27-2022 3:20 PM


Re: Predicting Our Destiny
Phat writes:
Humans by nature try and predict things...like the weather, a political race, or the future effects of harmful chemicals. We are trying to determine our future. That in and of itself is not harmful.
The harm is in fooling yourself, and possibly others, into thinking that everything CAN be predicted. You, for example, are arrogant enough to think that the voice of Jesus in your head is telling you "the answers" - and that those answers are right despite all evidence to the contrary. The harm is in gullible people like you being taken in by evil people like Trump who are intent on bringing on a Fourth Reich.
Phat writes:
In addition, I do not believe that the future of the universe is random. It has a definite destiny.
Heat death may be the ultimate destiny but every step along the way is random.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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