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Author Topic:   The Problem of Suffering
ringo
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Message 46 of 107 (898399)
09-23-2022 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by Greatest I am
09-22-2022 8:41 PM


Re: The Problem Of Evil
Greatest I am writes:
If you have any suggestions to do better for life than the evolutionary system we live in, please offer it.
We humans don't make toys that eat each other. We like to pretend that our toys are killing each other - but we want the toys back tomorrow so we can pretend again.
Doesn't your god have any imagination?

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
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Message 47 of 107 (898400)
09-23-2022 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Greatest I am
09-22-2022 8:48 PM


Re: The Problem Of Evil
Greatest I am writes:
If a God cared about us, he would not remain a deadbeat dad.
A lot of deadbeat dads do care about their children. They just don't know HOW to care effectively.
Greatesy I am writes:
Nature hurts us but only inadvertently.
When a lion eats you it's pretty advertent.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
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Message 48 of 107 (898401)
09-23-2022 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Greatest I am
09-23-2022 9:43 AM


Re: The Problem Of Evil
Greatest I am writes:
Few see the evolving perfection of reality.
And few see leprechauns.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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Message 49 of 107 (898407)
09-23-2022 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Tangle
09-23-2022 11:31 AM


Re: The Problem Of Evil
Jesus asked in the bible, have ye forgotten that ye are Gods?
He was talking about people and how the holy books showed them to be Gods.
Regards
DL

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Message 50 of 107 (898408)
09-23-2022 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by ringo
09-23-2022 11:57 AM


Re: The Problem Of Evil
Yes, I have imagination, but not enough to come up with a better way for life than evolution.
Regards
DL

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Tangle
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Message 51 of 107 (898409)
09-23-2022 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by Greatest I am
09-23-2022 12:58 PM


Re: The Problem Of Evil
GIA writes:
Jesus asked in the bible, have ye forgotten that ye are Gods?

He was talking about people and how the holy books showed them to be Gods.
Sorry, I forgot for a moment (or a lifetime) what your variety of loony tunes Christianity was all about.
Strange though that people can't do anything that gods are supposed to be able to do.
Even stranger that people have only been around for <200,000 years and yet the evolutionary mayhem that causes the death and destruction has been around for several billion years. How does that work out?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 52 of 107 (898410)
09-23-2022 1:24 PM
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09-23-2022 1:10 PM


Re: The Problem Of Evil
If you believe in a supernatural God, I cannot help you. I do not.
If you think man is the epitome of natural creation, then we are on the same page.
Regards
DL

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ringo
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Message 53 of 107 (898411)
09-23-2022 1:30 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by Greatest I am
09-23-2022 1:02 PM


Re: The Problem Of Evil
Greatest I am writes:
Yes, I have imagination, but not enough to come up with a better way for life than evolution.
I suggested one: toys that don't eat each other.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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Message 54 of 107 (898412)
09-23-2022 1:49 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by ringo
09-23-2022 1:30 PM


Re: The Problem Of Evil
Toys, without a human playing with them, would be quite worthless.
You promote a worthless system.
Regards
DL

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AZPaul3
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Message 55 of 107 (898413)
09-23-2022 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Greatest I am
09-23-2022 1:49 PM


Re: The Problem Of Evil
The toys ringo is talking about are the humans.
Reading comprehension problem. Re-read the last three exchanges and try to acquire some context.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Tanypteryx
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Message 56 of 107 (898414)
09-23-2022 2:29 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by Greatest I am
09-23-2022 1:24 PM


Re: The Problem Of Evil
Dragonflies are the epitome of biological evolution, next are damselflies and then all the rest of the insects. Humans don't make the list.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tangle
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Message 57 of 107 (898415)
09-23-2022 2:51 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by Greatest I am
09-23-2022 1:24 PM


Re: The Problem Of Evil
GDR writes:
If you believe in a supernatural God, I cannot help you. I do not.
I do not
If you think man is the epitome of natural creation, then we are on the same page.
I do not.
Given that you don't believe is God, what's all this Christianity bullshit about?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 58 of 107 (898418)
09-23-2022 3:00 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by Tangle
09-23-2022 2:51 PM


Re: The Problem Of Evil
I sell Gnostic Christianity, not Christianity.
We are a moral creed while they are not.
I like the old Christianity that lived before the stupid started to believe in the supernatural.
I hope you can see how intelligent the ancients were as compared to the mental efforts that modern preachers and theists are using with the literal reading of myths.
What is God? - Big Think
Further.
Bill Moyers Journal . Watch & Listen | PBS
Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it."
Please listen as to what is said about the literal reading of myths.
"Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning."
Matt 7;12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.
This is how early Gnostic Christians view the transition from reading myths properly to destructive literal reading and idol worship.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02ciandvg&feature=BFa&l...
Regards
DL

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AZPaul3
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Message 59 of 107 (898421)
09-23-2022 3:38 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Greatest I am
09-23-2022 3:00 PM


Re: The Problem Of Evil
I sell Gnostic Christianity, not Christianity.
So you are a cavendish, not a banana. Got it.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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ringo
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Message 60 of 107 (898476)
09-24-2022 9:16 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Greatest I am
09-23-2022 1:49 PM


Re: The Problem Of Evil
Greatest I am writes:
Toys, without a human playing with them, would be quite worthless.
In the analogy, God is playing with them. Try addressing the issue honestly.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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