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Message 191 of 2932 (898346)
09-22-2022 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by Kleinman
09-22-2022 3:34 PM


Re: Apples and oranges
How did all these adaptive mutations accumulate in a lineage of humans but didn't occur and accumulate in a lineage of chimps?
Why should a different species with a different genome under different circumstances produce the same genetic anomalies? All those by convergent evolution? That expectation is just stupid.
You really do not understand evolution.

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Message 196 of 2932 (898355)
09-22-2022 4:26 PM
Reply to: Message 193 by Kleinman
09-22-2022 4:01 PM


Re: Apples and oranges
So what adaptive mutations did humans get that chimps didn't that have enabled humans to achieve a population greater than 7 billion yet chimps have a population of only 300,000?
Lots and lots of them. All developed after the genomes were separated.
Can you really not comprehend that different organisms have different genomes? Different genomes convey different phenotypes with different abilities. Why do you insist that each species follow the same convergent paths?
Do you know why birds can fly and we can't? According to your logic there has been plenty for opportunity for each species to co-develop flight since those genomes split from each other. Why don't you have wings?
You really do not understand evolution.

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Message 200 of 2932 (898361)
09-22-2022 5:17 PM
Reply to: Message 198 by Kleinman
09-22-2022 4:51 PM


Re: Apples and oranges
How many and which mutations gave humans improved reproductive fitness over chimps and why didn't chimps get these mutations?
I don't know how many mutations it takes to change a light bulb. That information no one has. It has been lost to history. You know that. This is just a stupidity.
The reason chimps didn't get the new and improved human genome capabilities is because that are not human. You dispute this?
Again, different species with different genomes. Why do you insist they follow the same evolutionary path?

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Message 210 of 2932 (898376)
09-22-2022 10:03 PM
Reply to: Message 198 by Kleinman
09-22-2022 4:51 PM


Questions?
Are you going to answer my questions in Message 196?
quote:
Can you really not comprehend that different organisms have different genomes?
Why do you insist that each species follow the same convergent paths?
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Do you know why birds can fly and we can't? According to your logic there has been plenty for opportunity for each species to co-develop flight since those genomes split from each other. Why don't you have wings?

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Message 220 of 2932 (898402)
09-23-2022 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by Kleinman
09-23-2022 11:45 AM


Re: Apples and oranges
Taq:
Are the physical differences between chimps and humans due to the sequence differences between their genomes? Yes or no?
You need to answer this question for yourself.
You don't know the answer. You don't know evolution at all. And you think you can teach? You don't know how.
We have shown you don't comprehend the subject or the math that you are so enamoured with.
You're a fake, an arrogant ignorant dunce trying to impress a small forum site since you have been shot down and disowned by the rest of the science community. We reject you too.
No one, not real scientists, not your peers, certainly not us, have any respect for your silly maths, your stupid views and your asinine personality..
So tell us, how many mutations does it take to make a brain-dead braggadocious wannabe? Can you answer that one? Of course not. You're a dunce, sorry little man trying to feel big.

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AZPaul3
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Message 237 of 2932 (898555)
09-26-2022 11:04 AM
Reply to: Message 235 by Taq
09-26-2022 10:56 AM


Re: Apples and oranges
Are you telling me you don't understand the paper you keep citing?
Surprised?

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Message 265 of 2932 (898686)
09-28-2022 12:11 AM
Reply to: Message 263 by Theodoric
09-27-2022 10:12 PM


Re: Keeps going and.going
Taq has his fish and he's playing with it.

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Message 267 of 2932 (898688)
09-28-2022 8:39 AM
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09-28-2022 7:18 AM


Re: Keeps going and.going
Sounds a lot like the math you use.

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AZPaul3
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Message 271 of 2932 (898697)
09-28-2022 10:30 AM
Reply to: Message 268 by Kleinman
09-28-2022 8:48 AM


Re: Keeps going and.going
AZPaul3 will now explain t...
No he won't. You are Taq's toy and he has you running around in circles. I would not dream of interfering. It's too much fun watching him fillet you.

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Message 371 of 2932 (899348)
10-12-2022 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 370 by Kleinman
10-12-2022 12:54 PM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
Won't random mutation and natural selection work things out?
Yes, of course. But not to humanities benefit. Our species cannot adapt faster than we are trashing our crib.
But, you being a religionist with your bag of dysfunctional math books can't comprehend that anymore than you could basic genetics.

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AZPaul3
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Message 379 of 2932 (899368)
10-12-2022 7:01 PM
Reply to: Message 372 by Kleinman
10-12-2022 1:49 PM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
Perhaps you will come down off your throne and explain the physics and mathematics of the Kishony and Lenski experiments?
The Crown thinks not.
You have shown, again, like the last time we talked, your understanding of the experiment is bogus, your mathematics is bogus, and your conclusions are ... well ... bullshit.
A couple years ago you were adjudged bogus by this site but you were supposed to go get published again and achieve the accolades of your peers. Obviously that didn't work.
You just can't get the recognition your brilliance deserves. Your peers rejected you so you seek solace in trolling us mere mortals at EvC. Your trying to recover your injured pride.
Taq and Tany and nrw and I wish I hadn't started this cuz now I'm going to miss someone, have all taken you down, again. I'm not inclined to continue your game.
But, since the subject came up ...
... if you think evolution will save the human species from climate change then, again, you misunderstand that it is evolution that will kill us. Our unfitness to the new environment will, not could, but will cause our lineage to dwindle in our ever more toxic environment until the last human chokes or roasts to death. Our species cannot adapt faster than we are changing this environment.
There are 8 billion separate human genomes spread in a great diversity. That's a lot of material to work with. But my crystal ball assures me that, with the environment we seem to be headed toward, if anything evolves from that pool then it most certainly will not remain H. sapiens.
Kleinman:
Won't random mutation and natural selection work things out?
AZPaul3:
But, you being a religionist with your bag of dysfunctional math books can't comprehend that anymore than you could basic genetics.
I said you were too stupid to understand and I thank you for the verification.

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AZPaul3
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Message 381 of 2932 (899375)
10-12-2022 8:10 PM
Reply to: Message 380 by Kleinman
10-12-2022 7:49 PM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
Nothing left but some fossils with soft tissue.
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Have you ever thought of giving up with this nonsense for a bit and contributing to other discussions? I'd be interested in what your twisted logic comes up with. Lots of math opportunities for you to mis-model.

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Message 408 of 2932 (899535)
10-15-2022 11:08 PM
Reply to: Message 407 by Dredge
10-15-2022 10:54 PM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
... a vain attempt to dodge the question.
No. A direct hit. Out of the park.
But you're too stupid to understand why. You still think fossils are just old stones and DNA is a stain on your sheets.

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Message 415 of 2932 (899551)
10-16-2022 12:38 AM
Reply to: Message 412 by Kleinman
10-16-2022 12:02 AM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
AZPaul3 wants to be captain of the C- team.
Just can't help but lie, can you. No wonder your peers rejected your work. You're an idiot.

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Message 443 of 2932 (899598)
10-16-2022 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 442 by Dredge
10-16-2022 12:49 PM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
I've had some very weird and inexplicable things going on with my health for decades, which I attribute to my bad experience with the Covid vaccine.
And you wonder why we laugh at you and your stupid.
Since the covid vax is all of 3 years old you might want to look to some other cause of your decades long health problems.
This is so much beyond dumb. You're comatose.

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