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Message 3 of 107 (898115)
09-19-2022 10:05 AM
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09-18-2022 12:08 PM


Biology Fails
Just answers? To what questions?
Condolences anyway. Your hurt came through.
Poor mom was seeing god as a power to ask for favors.
My uncle, a Methodist minister, used to lament wish-list prayers. God is going to do what god is going to do and our entreaties are useless.
Why the added concern for her? Has she lost her god in total or is she looking at a new vision?
What do you think anyone can provide answers to? Why does biology sometimes fail? How can a god be so callus? How can nature be so callus?
What are you asking?

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Message 5 of 107 (898117)
09-19-2022 10:34 AM
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09-19-2022 10:26 AM


Re: Biology Fails
Then I'll leave you to them.

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Message 10 of 107 (898128)
09-19-2022 1:19 PM
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09-19-2022 11:18 AM


Re: Biology Fails
All that I can add is that if God exists, He is under no obligation to magically cure all of our sicknesses. Whatever will be will be.
Why would he show favorites? Based on what? Capricious evil?
The idea that he is not god to all, that he meters his love to some and withholds it from others, does not show an infinite love for his creation but defines his evil.
Actually, having a small favorite family tribe from the start was a big tell-tale on this god of all the universe being a fake.

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Message 18 of 107 (898254)
09-21-2022 1:38 PM
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09-21-2022 1:21 PM


Re: The Problem Of Evil
The question is how you can believe in a benevolent loving god in the face of such evidence?
That's easy Tangle. A quote I once read answers this.
"Science adjusts its views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."

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Message 26 of 107 (898301)
09-22-2022 12:51 AM
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09-21-2022 8:17 PM


Re: The Problem Of Evil
How do we deconstruct the gods so that we can understand them better?
Do we have to? Can’t we just say the gods don’t exist and go live our lives free of the ghosts? Deconstruct gods, or rather the god concepts, to find nothing there. A rather useless exercise given the present state of our knowledge. It's like a racoon trying to wash a tuft of cotton candy.
I say we pitch the whole lot of them. Let the concepts deconstruct themselves naturally and disappear from this universe, again.
Which sorta answers the question. Pain and suffering are not due to any neglect by some gods but are a natural feature of all living things everywhere. Ours is not to entreat god’s lie. Ours is but to naturally suffer and die.

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Message 28 of 107 (898321)
09-22-2022 12:10 PM
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09-22-2022 11:52 AM


Re: The Problem Of Evil
Studying the gods that we have created is useful for learning about those gods' creators: us!
We can study us without invoking any gods. There are plenty of other fantasies to select for tests. Ignore the gods.

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Message 32 of 107 (898343)
09-22-2022 3:29 PM
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09-22-2022 1:05 PM


Re: The Problem Of Evil
Will heaven have disease, illness, and death? If not, then why does the Earth have to have these things?
I can think of two possibilities real quick. God is an evil asshole or it doesn’t exist and we are at the mercy of the purposeless dispassionate natural world. I prefer the latter.

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Message 55 of 107 (898413)
09-23-2022 2:12 PM
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09-23-2022 1:49 PM


Re: The Problem Of Evil
The toys ringo is talking about are the humans.
Reading comprehension problem. Re-read the last three exchanges and try to acquire some context.

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Message 59 of 107 (898421)
09-23-2022 3:38 PM
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09-23-2022 3:00 PM


Re: The Problem Of Evil
I sell Gnostic Christianity, not Christianity.
So you are a cavendish, not a banana. Got it.

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Message 63 of 107 (898479)
09-24-2022 11:57 PM
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09-24-2022 9:50 PM


Re: The Problem Of Evil
Religious nutjobs fantasize a difference.

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Message 103 of 107 (898657)
09-27-2022 3:28 PM
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09-27-2022 1:03 PM


Re: Dualism or Double Standards?
My words do not need any other analogy.
Your words are false and your head needs a psyshrink. You are spouting absolute nonsense.

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Message 104 of 107 (898658)
09-27-2022 3:36 PM
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09-27-2022 3:20 PM


Re: Predicting Our Destiny
In addition, I do not believe that the future of the universe is random. It has a definite destiny.
The universe definitely does have a destiny, but no one knows what that will be. At present the going consensus is that 10super large number of eons from now, when the last photon flatlines its energy potential, the universe will cease to exist.

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Message 106 of 107 (898668)
09-27-2022 5:01 PM
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09-27-2022 4:03 PM


Re: Predicting Our Destiny
If so, will both matter and energy cease to exist?
Matter will, the hypothesis goes, decay into photons, which takes a long, long time. Then that energy, in the form of photons, will speed through the universe with nothing left to hit and will eventually redshift to flatline. And, no, that energy does not disappear. It is converted into the expansion energy of the universe, which now has nothing in it.
Ask Ethan: When A Photon Gets Redshifted, Where Does The Energy Go?

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