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xongsmith Member Posts: 2578 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.8 |
by assisted suicide after multiple fatal conditions...
Jean-Luc Godard - Wikipedia"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside." Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned! Enjoy every sandwich! - xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale |
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Percy Member Posts: 22392 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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Ken Starr headed the Whitewater investigation of the Clintons which expanded into an investigation of an inappropriate sexual relationship with an intern. Ironically the Whitewater investigation turned up nothing prosecutable of the Clintons (though others were found guilty of criminal conduct), but Bill Clinton was impeached over the Monica Lewinsky affair. Also ironically, Starr was dismissed from Baylor Law School for the mishandling of sexual assault allegations.
Ken Starr, Independent Counsel in Clinton Investigation, Dies at 76 - The New York Times In my own opinion Starr was a zealous straight-arrow straight-shooter who occasionally chose the wrong targets and then doggedly pursued them for way too long. There will be sexual affairs in all walks of life, and virtually everyone lies when caught. But the dogged pursuit side of this maybe goes along with the job, as witness that John Durham's investigation of the origins of the FBI's Russia investigation is in its third year with still virtually nothing worth mentioning to show for it, and the Republican Congress and then Trump pursued Hillary over her emails for like forever and indeed are still chanting, "Lock her up." --Percy
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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You are too generous to Ken Starr.
Was there some hanky panky related to WhiteWater -- yes, it seems so, but not enough for a federal case. The investigation quickly became "Get Clinton". The fascist tendencies of the GOP were already beginning to show.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4344 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.9
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You are too generous to Ken Starr. One less asshole on this planet. I hope it hurt like hell!Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7
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He was not a straight-arrow, straight-shooter. He covered up sexual assaults for chrissakes. He was a partisan hack and did everything he could to make sure the people he approved of and fit into his socioeconomic norms were protected and those that did not were kept in their place. In other words, rich, white christian conservative men deserved and needed to be protected. Everyone else was unwashed rabble.
My only sorrow is that he did not suffer more. What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7
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This closely aligns with my views of kenny.
Ken Starr, janus-faced moral hack, is finally dead - Alternet.org What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I was ready to argue with you a bit until I saw where Starr defended Jeffrey Epstein.
The only thing I will say is that it seems that Liberals are much slower to forgive and forget than Conservatives. Of course, I defended Ravi until the evidence showed that he was as much of a scoundrel as you always claimed. Likely the same with Starr."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I don't really understand why he defended Epstein. That's as much of a career risk as defending OJ Simpson.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7
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The only thing I will say is that it seems that Liberals are much slower to forgive and forget than Conservatives.
WTF does this mean? That he was an unethical, amoral POS has nothing to do with left and right.What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I was not referring to Starr. I was referencing in general.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
That makes it even worse. WTF did you mean? Examples please.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Percy Member Posts: 22392 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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Phat writes: The only thing I will say is that it seems that Liberals are much slower to forgive and forget than Conservatives. That is just so true. Thank goodness we no longer hear claims about a trumped up FBI Russian investigation or about a fake Steele dossier or about a stolen 2020 election or about fake news or about Hillary's emails. It's all been forgotten and forgiven.
Likely the same with Starr. Here's an editorial that views him sort of the same way I do: Ken Starr’s tragic misjudgment lives on in our politics. Relevant excerpts:
quote: --Percy
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2578 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.8 |
he was not well-known enough to even have his own entry in wikipedia, but when I moved out here from Michigan, the Boston PBS FM radio station, WGBH, had a jazz program. the soothing voice of Eric in the Evening was a treasure many a night. He'd always open his show with "Peace", the Horace Silver tune performed by Tommy Flanagan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-L492oAZio i accidently made this a reply to a post by Percy, instead of a general reply.i don't know how to fix that. sorry Percy. Edited by xongsmith, : spelling Edited by xongsmith, . Edited by xongsmith, . Edited by xongsmith, : more info Edited by xongsmith, : typo after typo! "I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside." Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned! Enjoy every sandwich! - xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2578 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.8 |
Eric Jackson, known as the “Dean of Boston Jazz Radio,” dies at 72
"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside." Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned! Enjoy every sandwich! - xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined:
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She won an Oscar for her performance in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Although I remember her best for her portrayal of Kai Winn in Star Trek Deep Space Nine.
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