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xongsmith
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Message 1112 of 1128 (897856)
09-14-2022 2:10 AM


Jean-Luc Goddard, 91
by assisted suicide after multiple fatal conditions...
Jean-Luc Godard - Wikipedia

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Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
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Message 1113 of 1128 (897860)
09-14-2022 10:13 AM


Ken Starr, 76
Ken Starr headed the Whitewater investigation of the Clintons which expanded into an investigation of an inappropriate sexual relationship with an intern. Ironically the Whitewater investigation turned up nothing prosecutable of the Clintons (though others were found guilty of criminal conduct), but Bill Clinton was impeached over the Monica Lewinsky affair. Also ironically, Starr was dismissed from Baylor Law School for the mishandling of sexual assault allegations.
Ken Starr, Independent Counsel in Clinton Investigation, Dies at 76 - The New York Times
In my own opinion Starr was a zealous straight-arrow straight-shooter who occasionally chose the wrong targets and then doggedly pursued them for way too long. There will be sexual affairs in all walks of life, and virtually everyone lies when caught. But the dogged pursuit side of this maybe goes along with the job, as witness that John Durham's investigation of the origins of the FBI's Russia investigation is in its third year with still virtually nothing worth mentioning to show for it, and the Republican Congress and then Trump pursued Hillary over her emails for like forever and indeed are still chanting, "Lock her up."
--Percy

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Message 1114 of 1128 (897862)
09-14-2022 10:51 AM
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09-14-2022 10:13 AM


Re: Ken Starr, 76
You are too generous to Ken Starr.
Was there some hanky panky related to WhiteWater -- yes, it seems so, but not enough for a federal case. The investigation quickly became "Get Clinton". The fascist tendencies of the GOP were already beginning to show.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 1115 of 1128 (897864)
09-14-2022 11:13 AM
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Re: Ken Starr, 76
You are too generous to Ken Starr.
One less asshole on this planet. I hope it hurt like hell!

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 1116 of 1128 (897866)
09-14-2022 11:27 AM
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09-14-2022 10:13 AM


Re: Ken Starr, 76
He was not a straight-arrow, straight-shooter. He covered up sexual assaults for chrissakes. He was a partisan hack and did everything he could to make sure the people he approved of and fit into his socioeconomic norms were protected and those that did not were kept in their place. In other words, rich, white christian conservative men deserved and needed to be protected. Everyone else was unwashed rabble.
My only sorrow is that he did not suffer more.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 1117 of 1128 (897870)
09-14-2022 2:18 PM
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09-14-2022 10:13 AM


Re: Ken Starr, 76
This closely aligns with my views of kenny.
Ken Starr, janus-faced moral hack, is finally dead - Alternet.org

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 1118 of 1128 (897873)
09-14-2022 2:56 PM
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09-14-2022 2:18 PM


Re: Ken Starr, 76
I was ready to argue with you a bit until I saw where Starr defended Jeffrey Epstein.
The only thing I will say is that it seems that Liberals are much slower to forgive and forget than Conservatives.
Of course, I defended Ravi until the evidence showed that he was as much of a scoundrel as you always claimed.
Likely the same with Starr.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 1119 of 1128 (897874)
09-14-2022 2:59 PM
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09-14-2022 10:13 AM


Re: Ken Starr, 76
I don't really understand why he defended Epstein. That's as much of a career risk as defending OJ Simpson.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 1120 of 1128 (897879)
09-14-2022 3:29 PM
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09-14-2022 2:56 PM


Re: Ken Starr, 76
The only thing I will say is that it seems that Liberals are much slower to forgive and forget than Conservatives.
WTF does this mean? That he was an unethical, amoral POS has nothing to do with left and right.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 1121 of 1128 (897890)
09-14-2022 8:14 PM
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09-14-2022 3:29 PM


Re: Ken Starr, 76
I was not referring to Starr. I was referencing in general.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 1122 of 1128 (897891)
09-14-2022 8:57 PM
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09-14-2022 8:14 PM


Re: Ken Starr, 76
That makes it even worse. WTF did you mean? Examples please.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 1123 of 1128 (897897)
09-15-2022 11:28 AM
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09-14-2022 2:56 PM


Re: Ken Starr, 76
Phat writes:
The only thing I will say is that it seems that Liberals are much slower to forgive and forget than Conservatives.
That is just so true. Thank goodness we no longer hear claims about a trumped up FBI Russian investigation or about a fake Steele dossier or about a stolen 2020 election or about fake news or about Hillary's emails. It's all been forgotten and forgiven.
Likely the same with Starr.
Here's an editorial that views him sort of the same way I do: Ken Starr’s tragic misjudgment lives on in our politics. Relevant excerpts:
quote:
He is famous for his obsessive investigation of one case of sexual misconduct — but not for the allegations he failed to pursue with the rigor they deserved.
...
What started as a specific brief sprawled for years and began to look like an obsession.
...
I wish he had expressed similar profound sorrow for his damn-the-torpedoes crusade against Clinton and his destruction of Lewinsky’s life or his see-no-evil blindness about Trump. Or both. And if this is indeed the “Age of Impeachment,” no one did more to make it so than Kenneth Starr.
--Percy

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Message 1124 of 1128 (898100)
09-18-2022 9:43 PM
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09-15-2022 11:28 AM


Eric Jackson, WGBH jazz host
he was not well-known enough to even have his own entry in wikipedia, but when I moved out here from Michigan, the Boston PBS FM radio station, WGBH, had a jazz program. the soothing voice of Eric in the Evening was a treasure many a night. He'd always open his show with "Peace", the Horace Silver tune performed by Tommy Flanagan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-L492oAZio
i accidently made this a reply to a post by Percy, instead of a general reply.
i don't know how to fix that. sorry Percy.

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"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Message 1125 of 1128 (898103)
09-18-2022 11:33 PM
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Re: Eric Jackson, WGBH jazz host, 72
Eric Jackson, known as the “Dean of Boston Jazz Radio,” dies at 72

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Message 1126 of 1128 (898462)
09-24-2022 11:48 AM
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Louise Fletcher - 88
She won an Oscar for her performance in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Although I remember her best for her portrayal of Kai Winn in Star Trek Deep Space Nine.

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