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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: The UN is quite able to define genocide - definitions are well within human capacities. Your talk of judgement is simply an attempt to avoid the facts. Which is all your spiritual things amount to. A pretext to pretend that you are right, when you obviously are not.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: The UN did not judge God, that was just one of Faith’s deceptions (and you fell for it). The UN simply came up with a definition of genocide that Faith doesn’t like. As if her opinion mattered. She routinely attacks experts who dare come to conclusions she doesn’t like - again with no regard for the truth. The issue is not respect for God - the issue is deference to Faith. And I do not think that the UN should be in any fear of God’s judgement over that.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: That is a claim about the definition. I posted the definition - do you see anything about UNJUST killing there ?
quote: No it’s not. That is a highly authoritative definition - what the word means. So it is entirely appropriate to apply it in any case.
quote: Obviously you don’t. You have written a whole lot of nonsense lately and this is just one example.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: And why is knowing the truth bad?
quote: That doesn’t follow at all. It really makes no sense.
quote: But none of those are serious challenges. Moses doesn’t have to have written the books we have now for the laws to have come from him. The Jewish leaders could be wrong. The Book of Moses doesn’t have to be written by Moses any more than the Books of Job or Jonah or Esther were written by those persons.
quote: I don’t think that the Bible endorses the idolatrous worship of men. But Biblical inerrancy is a creation of men and a false one. Why should we twist the Bible to defend a falsehood invented by men?
quote: Presumably you meant liberal theologians rather than modern scholars. But is their teaching really worse? I would think that that would be quite difficult, the more so since they put an emphasis on the teachings attributed to Jesus.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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quote: That’s the apologists point of view. Having decided on your truth the real truth does not matter. Where I endorse the best efforts of humans to discover the truth you reject them, setting yourself up as a false god. Hardly a Christian attitude.
quote: No, the whole point is to set yourself up as the determiner of truth.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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I’d suggest that religion is as often a barrier to growth as a sign of it. At least. Focussing on dogma and clinging to it no matter what is not the way.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
I think that this is rather vague and in places confused.
This paragraph is particularly bad:
I am on board with using tools that actually give accurate results. The Scriptures though, contend that since Truth is totally free it is not a tool, or a process like the scientific method to be controlled. Truth is not beholden to anyone, though Truth loves everyone. (Which, in fact, is the mystery of the gospel.) Truth reveals Himself on His own terms and speaks to people answers to questions outside the scope of what science deals with, the questions we all ask on a fundamental human level. Do you matter? Is love real? Will suffering/war/genocide/child abuse/rape/starvation end? Does justice exist? To all these questions the answer from Truth is "yes." First, this confuses methods of seeking the truth with the truth itself. The discipline applies to the methods and is the reason why the scientific method is an effective tool. You cannot deny the fallibility of human beings, which makes the discipline necessary. Yet, you cast discipline aside to claim a special relationship with “Truth” which you claim gives you truthful answers to questions which we cannot otherwise find reliable answers to. I think it is perfectly legitimate to reject such claims in the absence of good reasons to think otherwise. Claims of revelation are clearly not trustworthy. It is far from clear that even personal experiences of “revelation” are what they appear to be or provide reliable information. In effect you are asking that beliefs you favour be given a pass on the tests and checks - and on fallacious grounds. This point is also dubious:
The majority of people in the world experience the reality of their faiths on a daily basis, in vivid reality, and would tell you so. The fact that you dismiss what they experience as false shows again, your epistemological bias and arrogant preference for the positions of your own tribe - ironically the thing you accuse religious people of. Is it really true that the way that people “experience the reality of their faiths” is at odds with AZPaul’s assertions? Even if we restrict it to the realm of religious belief there are uncomfortable questions. Do some experience that Jesus is the literal Son of God and others that Jesus is only a human prophet - that God cannot have a literal son? Either this experienced “truth” is severely restricted in scope, or it is so subjective that the same claim can be both true and a blasphemous falsehood. Neither option seems likely to be helpful to you. The question of whether we live in a simulation is equally unhelpful to you. There are sound pragmatic reasons for ignoring it in most respects and its unfalsifiability is a red flag. Intellectual acceptance of the possibility is about all it deserves. Insisting that there is any failure or a reliance on anything akin to religious faith in refusing to grant it any more than that is unjustified.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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quote: We don’t know the story. The historical person is lost to us. We don’t know if he gave up his life voluntarily or not or why he did.
quote: We just don’t know. There are many possibilities.
quote: Now there is a lot of falsehood there. The United States was founded as a secular state, where laws would not be based on the Bible. And it is sad that it has drifted away from that. It is not sad that you can no longer hang people for being Quakers, or deny Catholics the right to vote or hold office.
quote: Which is why we can’t trust Christianity.
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