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Message 140 of 264 (897062)
08-29-2022 9:53 AM
Reply to: Message 139 by Greatest I am
08-27-2022 3:38 PM


Re: Follow forum rules
Greatest I am writes:
The best religions have something showing that we live in a dualistic world.
The world is not dualistic. It's multi-faceted.
Thinking there's 2 sides to every issue has the same problem as only seeing 1 side - being extremely limited.
There's usually a full spectrum of ways to view a situation and attempting to break it down into any finite number of "sides" is a part of causing the problem.

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Message 144 of 264 (897068)
08-29-2022 10:31 AM
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08-29-2022 10:08 AM


Re: Follow forum rules
Greatest I am writes:
Duality has a range and scale, I agree.

We live in a dualistic world and cannot help but scale what we are looking at.
Duality with scale implies there are 2 sides or 2 priorities/important-aspects and there's a scale between them.
But that's not how the world is.
There's a hell of a lot more than 2 sides to most important issues.
There's generally more than 2 sides to most unimportant issues... but nobody really cares, because they're unimportant.
Thinking complex situations can be reduced to 2 sides is simplistic thinking and only goes to show a lack of imagination and empathy.
It's possible to say that issues come down to two sides... like discussions of democrat/republican arguments or socialism/capitalism or good/bad... but such simplification usually ignores complications and intricacies that describe other ways to view the situation that don't rely on those 2 themes.

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Message 154 of 264 (897088)
08-29-2022 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by Greatest I am
08-29-2022 12:30 PM


Re: Follow forum rules
Greatest I am writes:
All issues have a main good or evil side and all other conditions are subordinate to the main moral issue.

You can create a single bar scale to show your subordinate and secondary issues.

It is just housekeeping.
Why don't you offer an example? And you can state what the "main moral issue" is and describe the "main good and evil sides"... and I'll then show you another moral aspect that's not included in your "main issue."

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Message 165 of 264 (897113)
08-29-2022 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 157 by Greatest I am
08-29-2022 1:27 PM


Re: Follow forum rules
Greatest I am writes:
RvWade

Does reversing abortion laws give all non-white Americans a better socio-economic demographic position?

Statistically, more non-whites are aborted than whites.

Reverse this trend and the shrinking white demographic dominance goes into overdrive.

White is demographically shooting itself in the foot.

White power, at this point in time, is being quite generous to non-whites.

One might see it all as a huge white restitution and reparations to all those non-whites we white predators stressed.

Are white Americans who are on the right, aware of what they are giving up, demographically speaking?

Should the non-white Americans be on the right wing side on this, just for the benefits of fast tracking their control?
You didn't finish off your example:
What do you think is the "main moral issue?"
-white vs. non-white power?
-life vs. non-life of the fetus?
-life vs. non-life of the pregnant woman?
What do you think is the "main good side?"
-white people gaining power?
-non-white people gaining power?
-the fetus living?
-non-life of the fetus?
-the pregnant woman living?
-non-life of the pregnant woman?
What do you think is the "main evil side?"
-white people gaining power?
-non-white people gaining power?
-the fetus living?
-non-life of the fetus?
-the pregnant woman living?
-non-life of the pregnant woman?
So... which of these 6 sides do you think are the only 2 that concern RvWade?

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Message 173 of 264 (897207)
08-31-2022 8:19 AM
Reply to: Message 166 by Greatest I am
08-30-2022 4:51 PM


Re: Follow forum rules
Greatest I am writes:
You asked, I gave.
But... you didn't give. You didn't say which are the 2 sides.
The example of a main issue and a side issue is finished.
Because I provided 6 main issues - yeah - this shows that "a dualistic world" is a silly, immature notion.

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Message 181 of 264 (897262)
09-01-2022 11:28 AM
Reply to: Message 180 by Greatest I am
09-01-2022 11:22 AM


Re: Greatest His Failure
Greatest I am writes:
When did you stop celebrating your color or race and let shame for yours, I think/guess, be your expression?
Can you quote anything in this thread on where you think someone is expressing shame for their skin colour? I don't see that anywhere.
This can be the result when someone thinks things are dualistic when, in reality, they are multi-faceted.
You end up guessing that someone is likely on one of two sides... instead of knowing that there are many possible reasons that you haven't considered.

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Message 187 of 264 (897297)
09-02-2022 9:10 AM
Reply to: Message 183 by Greatest I am
09-01-2022 8:54 PM


Multi-Faceted vs Dualistic
Greatest I am writes:
All those I can name are all multi-faceted and thus dualistic.

Do you know of any exceptions?
What about the example you provided?
See Message 165
You discussed RvWade/abortion and there's 6 sides I was able to list very quickly off the top of my head:
RvWade (Abortion)
Sides:
  1. Power for whites
  2. Power for non-white
  3. Life of fetus
  4. Non-life of fetus
  5. Life of pregnant woman
  6. Non-life of pregnant woman
There's more, too:
  1. Father's input
  2. Religious input
  3. Family input
  4. Current Law
  5. Where life begins
  6. Woman's bodily rights
  7. Possibility of non-consensual pregnancy
And likely a bunch more than that, even.
Can you describe a single "dualistic sense" that incorporates all these many different issues on the topic?
I don't think it's possible without losing sight of the various issues.
Because so many different issues are in play at once.

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Message 210 of 264 (897474)
09-06-2022 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 189 by Greatest I am
09-03-2022 10:24 AM


Re: Multi-Faceted vs Dualistic
Greatest I am writes:
Focus on any one issue that you think is non-dualistic and is not multifaceted, which is dualistic.
...
I am still waiting for one issues from you that is not dualistic.
I'm fine using the example you provided.
I asked for an example from you for an issue that's dualistic.
You suggested RvWade.
I then listed 13 different sides to RvWade (and I doubt the list is complete.)
Pretty sure this is done - your own "dualistic issue" is multi-faceted and includes many, many sides - not just two.

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Message 254 of 264 (897800)
09-12-2022 2:31 PM
Reply to: Message 211 by Greatest I am
09-07-2022 4:00 PM


Re: Multi-Faceted vs Dualistic
Greatest I am writes:
There are only 2 sides on a bar graph.
So, use a 2-sided bar graph to adequately describe all the different aspects involved in RvWade.
All you have done is offered a string of issues.
Yeah - 13 different issues all involved in RvWade.
You suggested RvWade was dualistic.
But the 13 different issues don't bar graph well.
Each issue has it's own graph as well in our dualistic world and thinking.
I agree many people have dualistic thinking.
But this doesn't mean that the issues we face are dualistic.
It means many people get confused using dualistic thinking when attempting to discuss multi-faceted issues.
Just as you're showing here.

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Message 259 of 264 (897832)
09-13-2022 8:32 AM
Reply to: Message 255 by Greatest I am
09-12-2022 3:28 PM


Re: Multi-Faceted vs Dualistic
Greatest I am writes:
As to your "You suggested RvWade was dualistic."

As your many examples show, there are two sides.
Sure. Whatever you say
Have a nice day.

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