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Author Topic:   When Will The End-Times Be And How Will We Know?
ringo
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Message 770 of 794 (897788)
09-12-2022 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 769 by candle2
09-12-2022 11:43 AM


candle2 writes:
the Bible tells us when the end of this present
age will come.

Matthew 24:14 ..."and this gospel (good news) of the
Kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness
unto all nations; and then shall the end come."
Read on a little further in the chapter:
quote:
Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
"This generation" is the people who were standing in front of Jesus at the time, the people who were alive in c. 30 CE. Jesus was that predicting "these things" would happen within a few decades - i.e. in the 1st century CE.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 776 of 794 (897878)
09-14-2022 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 775 by candle2
09-14-2022 11:45 AM


candle2 writes:
It is extremely important to also add verse 33 when
we interpret exactly who "this generation" is.
There's no need to interpret who "this generation" is. It's stated clearly.
And your verse 33 confirms it. "Ye" refers to the people that Jesus was talking to at that very moment, not somebody who would be born thousands of years in the future.
candle2 writes:
Read the entire chapter.
I did. I pointed ot the part that YOU ignored.
candle2 writes:
It is an end-time prophecy.
Yes, it's a FAILED prophecy.
candle2 writes:
At the time when this prophecy takes place technological
advances will be such that we could kill everyone on the
face of the earth.
Where does it say anything about technological advances?
candle2 writes:
That generation would see see the arrival of the
specific three and one half period that marks the
end of this present evil age.
But they didn't.
candle2 writes:
Notice Revelation 11.
No. We're talking about Matthew 24. You can't use a different book to try to "fix" a failed prophecy in Matthew.
candle2 writes:
The central theme of the entire Bible is that of the
coming Kingdom of God.
Jesus disagreed with you:
quote:
Matthew:36-40 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
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Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 781 of 794 (897943)
09-16-2022 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 778 by candle2
09-15-2022 3:36 PM


candle2 writes:
Matthew 24:22 "And except those days should be
Shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for
the elect' sake those days shall be shortened.
You don't know how many people are "the elect". It could be all but five people - or all but five thousand people. The technology of 2000 years ago could easily have wiped out five thousand people.
candle2 writes:
The crowd at that time didn't witness total
destruction. Only this present generation can see
all that is mentioned in chapter 24.
But Jesus wasn't talking to our generation. He was talking to the people who were alive THEN, the people right in front of Him. THEY didn't witness total destruction. Therefore the prophecy failed.
candle2 writes:
I guess my reference to Revelation 11 was also
beyond you understanding.
It was beyond my interest. As I said, you can't use Revelation to prop up your misuse of Matthew.
candle2 writes:
Only the generation that sees all these things,
including the great tribulation mentioned in
verse 22, can qualify as being among those in
"this generation."
Wrong. Only the ones who WERE in that generation can qualify as being among those in "this generation."
You're thinking backwards. You assume that the prophecy MUST have been true, so somebody MUST see what was prophesied. The correct logic is: They DIDN'T see what was prophesied, therefore the prophecy failed.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 785 of 794 (898085)
09-18-2022 3:14 PM
Reply to: Message 783 by candle2
09-18-2022 1:42 PM


candle2 writes:
I'm saying that the prophecies Jesus stated have not come
to fruition yet.
And I'm saying that they were supposed to come to fruition during the lives of the people Jesus was talking to. They didn't - i.e the prophecy failed. You can't just re-define "this generation" to force the prophecy to come true.
candle2 writes:
Many who are alive at the beginning of the sorrows will be
alive at the end.
That's irrelevant. They had to be alive when Jesus spoke to them.
candle2 writes:
The generation that He was speaking to witnessed the
events that He foretold.
There is no reason to think He was speaking about any generation other than the generation He was speaking to.
candle2 writes:
I can cite you many more end-time prophecies that states
the same things Jesus said.

If you want to see some let me know.
I have been looking at those so-called "end times" prophecies for more than fifty years. I don't think I need any education from you.
The AntiChrist used to be Napoleon. Then it was Hitler. Then it was Stalin. Now some people likely think it's Putin and some other people likely think it's somebody else. The commentaries on prophecy are very fluid.
candle2 writes:
However, if you wish to cling to your fairy tale that a frog
turned into a man (prince) over eons of time then have
at it.
This topic isn't about evolution. Try to be wrong about one thing at a time.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 794 of 794 (898170)
09-19-2022 10:19 PM
Reply to: Message 792 by candle2
09-19-2022 2:15 PM


candle2 writes:
The Gospel of Matthew was
written roughly 50 years after the death of Christ.
At that time the event had not happened.
Which makes it a failed prophecy - i.e. the generation that Jesus was talking to had passed.
candle2 writes:
Others,
alive at the time would have stoned him for being
an idiot, if they had thought that he was referring
to an event that had already happened.
Stoned whom?
candle2 writes:
He knew exactly what Jesus was referring to. It
was an end-time event.
It was an end-time event that didn't happen - i.e. a failed prophecy.
I have pointed out more than once that you can not re-define "this generation" to mean some other generation. That's the only issue here. Deal with that.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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