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Phat
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Message 1 of 12 (897729)
09-10-2022 2:25 PM


Lets read and discuss this old book in detail together. I hope to put a nail in the coffin that is communism. Dedicated to ringo of Saskatchewan

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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ringo
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Message 2 of 12 (897754)
09-10-2022 10:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Phat
09-10-2022 2:25 PM


Phat writes:
I hope to put a nail in the coffin that is communism. Dedicated to ringo of Saskatchewan
Why? What has communism got to do with me?

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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AZPaul3
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Message 3 of 12 (897759)
09-11-2022 7:56 AM
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09-10-2022 2:25 PM


I think I remember reading this way way back a hundred years ago, give or take. I was not impressed.
First, as I recall, the plot was near indecipherable. Then the character development was poor at best and the scenery painted in the prose was friggin awful.
I tried to remember any romance scenes but nothing stands out especially since the plot couldn’t be followed. Dull as sin, or rather dull as “no sin” (lol).
I think I'd rather something with some real meat to it, like a plot, some characters, a bit of romance and maybe a little sex.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Percy
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Message 4 of 12 (897760)
09-11-2022 8:02 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by ringo
09-10-2022 10:24 PM


ringo writes:
Why? What has communism got to do with me?
Nothing, but some people like Phat and Hyroglyphx are unable to see a distinction between communisim and social programs. To them just being in favor of OAS makes you a member of the proletariat trying to overthrow the bourgeoisie, err, I mean the conservatives.
--Percy

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Phat
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Message 5 of 12 (897762)
09-11-2022 8:16 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by AZPaul3
09-11-2022 7:56 AM


Manifest Destiny
I've got one you can read. Its by Author Robert Kiyosaki, (Rich Dad Poor Dad)
and his newest book....
Amazon writes:
An overarching message of Capitalist Manifesto is...
WE WERE WARNED
In 1965, Robert Kiyosaki left Hilo, Hawaii and reported to the US Merchant Marine Academy, at Kings Point, New York.
At the academy, Robert’s economics teacher, encouraged the class to read Marx’s Communist Manifesto, Hitler’s Mein Kompf, and Mao’s Little Book.
In 1972, Robert was a US Marine Corp pilot, flying in Vietnam, witnessing lessons learned about communism, at the academy, coming true in real life.
In 1973, returning to California, Robert and his troops were greeted by anti-war protestors, hippies of the Woodstock Generation. Marx’s Communist Manifesto was alive and well in America. Marx’s ideology was spreading through America via the education system.
In 2020, protestors are parents, protesting mandatory vaccines for their children, wearing of masks, and the teaching of Critical Race Theory, gender identity, and Post-Modernist Education... all Marxist in heritage.
WE WERE WARNED.Capitalist Manifesto is a book of warnings. For example: On capitalism Marx warned: “The last capitalist we hang shall be the one who sold us the rope.” On education Lenin warned: “Give us the child for eight years and it will be a Bolshevik forever.” On elections Stalin warned: “It's not the people who vote that count…It's the people who count the votes.” On the Federal Reserve bank Lenin warned: “The establishment of a central bank is 90% of communizing a nation.”
On printing money, taxes and inflation Lenin said: “The way to crush the bourgeoise is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation. Capitalist Manifesto is dedicated to our freedoms, especially the Freedom of Truth. Capitalist Manifesto is dedicated to seeking out the truth behind the NEA, IRS, and FED ― the National Education Association, the Internal Revenue Service, and the Federal Reserve Bank. In Capitalist Manifesto I offer alternatives that any person or family can put in motion. How can we counter communism taught in our schools? By teaching capitalism in our homes.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 6 of 12 (897763)
09-11-2022 8:23 AM
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09-11-2022 8:02 AM


To me, OAS stands for Old Age Security.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 7 of 12 (897764)
09-11-2022 8:32 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by ringo
09-10-2022 10:24 PM


Your Signature For One...
ringos sig writes:
"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys
Good old St.Peter...the first Pope (supposedly)
being dissed in favor of Lenin? That's evidence enough for me!
Actually, I looked the group up. Interesting band...they like those pointy boots as the Mexican groups have.

Edited by Phat, : spelling


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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AZPaul3
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Message 8 of 12 (897766)
09-11-2022 9:36 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Phat
09-11-2022 8:16 AM


Re: Manifest Destiny
Author Robert Kiyosaki
I was thinking more of a Debbie does Dallas kinda thing.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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ringo
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Message 9 of 12 (897767)
09-11-2022 10:30 AM
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09-11-2022 8:32 AM


Re: Your Signature For One...
Phat writes:
being dissed in favor of Lenin? That's evidence enough for me!
Yeah, typical. No evidence at all is enough evidence for you.
But you've completely missed the point of the song. At least, the reason I quoted it is because it seems to say that there's no place like home, even if outsiders don't like your home. Nothing whatsoever to do with communism.
Phat writes:
Interesting band...
Look up their rendition of Tom Jones' Delilah on YouTube. Also, try to find their movie, Leningrad Cowboys Go America.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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Message 10 of 12 (897776)
09-11-2022 8:36 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Phat
09-10-2022 2:25 PM


Go ahead and make some comments. I have read this almost as many times as I have read the bible. Don't agree with either of them but go ahead and present some analysis.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 11 of 12 (897777)
09-12-2022 5:54 AM


Communist society - Wikipedia
Communism is a utopian concept, not bad or evil.
Capitalism is based on personal greed while communism is based on benevolence towards others. Which is the more powerful motivator?
Communism is good, but in all but rather small groups, it does not work. The traditional family is communistic.
From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs - Wikipedia
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs".
Or something like that.
Moose

Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.

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Percy
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Message 12 of 12 (897778)
09-12-2022 8:55 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Phat
09-11-2022 8:23 AM


Phat writes:
To me, OAS stands for Old Age Security.
That's exactly what it means. I was replying to Ringo, Ringo's from Canada, and Canada's form of Social Security is called Old Age Security, OAS.
--Percy

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