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ringo
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Message 719 of 895 (895505)
07-04-2022 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 715 by Phat
07-03-2022 3:47 PM


Re: Giving It ALL up to Whom?
Phat writes:
The issue has everything to do with the hook I *should be* on and the lack of such a hook for you, Tangle, and dwise1.
And that has nothing to do with what the government takes.
Phat writes:
Thus I bring up the government as the alternative hook which you likely would ALL support and how I would fight it.
Which has nothing to do with the topic or with anything anybody is talking about, except you.
Phat writes:
Liberals like government.
Here's a homework assignment for you: Look up the word "liberal" in the Bible. It might even stop you from using it as a swearword.
Phat writes:
Conservatives are the ones who say let the dollar crash...
If that was true, you could call me a conservative. But of course it isn't true. It's wildly false, ridiculously false. Conservatives worship the dollar. Look at yourself.
Phat writes:
... we have our own alternative ways out of the mess.
Such as?
Phat writes:
I say let the free enterprise run the show ....
As I have said before, the ultimate free enterprise is crime.
Of course, your conservative buddies are already doing that, stealing every nickel they can get their hands on.
Phat writes:
... rather than mandatory government solutions. They have not worked yet.
Read a book, for God's sake. Have you no inkling of history?
It was mandatory government solutions that got us out of the Great Depression, for one blindingly obvious example.
Now you give us an example of conservative thievery solving anything.
Phat writes:
Stay tuned and we will talk about this crisis as it unfolds in 2022-2023.
Take that to an appropriate thread.
Phat writes:
As for Jesus, I pray He does not give up on me for my refusal to trust Him with all I have.
He has already said that He will spew you out of His mouth and you will not have eternal life. Here's another place where He said it:
quote
Luke 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 721 of 895 (895533)
07-05-2022 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 720 by Phat
07-05-2022 1:04 PM


Re: ringos Homework assignment
Phat writes:
I did my homework out of semi-desperation this morning.
I asked you to look up "liberal" in the BIBLE.
I didn't expect you to do it, so I did it for you. Here is every reference (in the KJV) to the word "liberal":
quote
Proverbs 11:25 The liberal soul shall be made fat: and he that watereth shall be watered also himself.
Isaiah 32:5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the churl said to be bountiful.
Isaiah 32:8 But the liberal deviseth liberal things; and by liberal things shall he stand.
2Corinthians 9:13 Whiles by the experiment of this ministration they glorify God for your professed subjection unto the gospel of Christ, and for your liberal distribution unto them, and unto all men;
And here are references to variations - e.g. "liberality", "liberally":
quote
Deuteronomy 15:14 Thou shalt furnish him liberally out of thy flock, and out of thy floor, and out of thy winepress: of that wherewith the LORD thy God hath blessed thee thou shalt give unto him.
1Corinthians 16:3 And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem.
2Corinthinans 8:2 How that in a great trial of affliction the abundance of their joy and their deep poverty abounded unto the riches of their liberality.
James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
It looks to me like the Bible has a pretty positive attitudes toward liberals.
Phat writes:
Why I get so mad at "Liberals" has been partly because I have felt that they (you) were against me and my personal beliefs...
Well, the Bible is against your personal beliefs.
Phat writes:
... and expected me to listen to "what Jesus" told me to do.
I keep asking you, why wouldn't you do what Jesus told you to do?
Phat writes:
Ironic that this edict comes from a group of unbelievers!
Not very ironic. Unbelievers tend to be more honest than believers.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 727 of 895 (895592)
07-07-2022 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 722 by Phat
07-05-2022 1:52 PM


Re: A few videos that No one will watch
Phat writes:
Devastating Solar Storm Hits Earth
​
The San Andreas Fault: Disaster About to Strike]The San Andreas Fault: Disaster About to Strike
​
Yellowstone: Big Volcano Ready to Erupt
Volcanic Hyper Eruption
Who has disputed any of those things here?
But you're being dishonest. You've been talikng about Who Controls All Our Money? here and there is no easy answer to that question.
Will solar storms cause devastation? Yes.
Will earthquakes devastate California? Yes.
Will the Yellowstone volcano erupt? Yes.
Who controls our money? Well, I have pretty good control over my wallet. You'd have to point a gun at me to get control of it. But I don't have control over what a dollar is worth. And I don't have control over how many dollars the government takes from me. Those things are effected by floods, fires and famine. Wars and rumours of war.
But you're trying to make connections between all of those complications and your God, who does not exist. Those imaginary connections are what people are arguing with you.
Phat writes:
In my opinion, humans are likely to exasperate their own demise with or without scientific evidence of upcoming disasters, which could well be ten thousand years in the future.
Ten thousand years in the future doesn't concern me much. I'm more concerned about ten years in the future.
Phat writes:
Two things irritate me for better or worse. One, which the facts show as likely, a financial collapse will occur within our lifetimes.
I've been trying to tell you, financial collapses happen all the time. I keep hearing about a "crash" that happened in 2008 - but I never even noticed it at the time. (It may have been when I didn't have a TV.)
Phat writes:
And this alone could trigger further global wars.
How do you fight a war after a financial collapse? And if you can still fight wars, why can't you still do all of the other things that humans do?
Phat writes:
And even with no God, no apocalypse and no religious judgment, there are many events which could challenge humanity.
And humanity has never had challenges before?
Phat writes:
ringo claims that I, as the "Christian" am commanded by Jesus to give everything up.
It's not a "claim". It's what the Bible says. If there is such a things as a theme that permeates the entire Bible, it's trust in God, not yourself.
Phat writes:
No one else here is so commanded.
Dredge is so commanded. Faith is so commanded, even though she might dispute that Dredge is so commanded, since he's a satan-worshipping Catholic.
I'll say this again, on the off-chance that it might get through your thick skull:
Those of us who don't believe Jesus and/or God exist have no reason to obey Him/Them.
Why is that so hard to understand?
Phat writes:
And yet I fear that you dont understand....
You should stop fearing what we don't understand and make more of an attempt to understand yourself.
Phat writes:
My question to all of you is this: Is humanity ready to cooperate should chaos erupt?
My answer is the same as it has always been: We have to be. Nobody's going to do it for us.
I don't know why you keep asking the same questions over and over again. Do you expect to get different answers?

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 735 of 895 (897097)
08-29-2022 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 733 by Phat
08-29-2022 10:10 AM


Re: Something Positive
Phat writes:
Except that evidence is not required for belief.
Jesus disagreed with you. (John 20)

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 741 of 895 (897170)
08-30-2022 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 736 by Phat
08-29-2022 2:32 PM


Re: Something Positive
Phat writes:
Jesus also said blessed are those who have *not* seen and have yet believed. What's your point?
The point is that Jesus presented evidence. Jesus respected evidence. You do not.
Phat writes:
You would likely be even worse than Thomas.
Again, it's not about being "better" or "worse" than Thomas. Read my lips: Jesus voluntarily presented evidence to the other disciples when Thomas was not there. Thomas doubted the disciples. He didn't doubt Jesus. When Thomas was present, Jesus AGAIN voluntarily presented evidence to him. NOBODY in the story believed without evidence.
Phat writes:
Ringo: "Unless all of my friends and colleagues agree with the evidence you show me, I'll forever doubt."
Forever doubting is a good thing. Always be skeptical, no matter how much evidence there is. One little piece of new evidence can change everything. Take Newtonian mechanics. ALL of the evidence supported it - until it didn't.
Phat writes:
Or even worse:
Ringo: "Unless the people who claim to be followers give everything up in order to follow you, I will have my doubts that anyone knows you."
How is that worse?
And it isn't just that I "have doubts" about anybody knowing God. I have a pretty solid conclusion that YOU don't.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 742 of 895 (897172)
08-30-2022 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 738 by Phat
08-29-2022 4:04 PM


Re: Something Positive
Phat writes:
OK so we can agree that there is no evidence. Now what?
I've told this story before: When we were kids, I could demonstrate to my younger brother that [something] was not true and his response would be, "But I think it is." I could demonstrate six ways from Sunday that it was NOT true and his reponse would still be, "But I think it is."
That's you. Nothing can sway you. No facts, no logic, no reality. Your opinion trumps all.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 744 of 895 (897175)
08-30-2022 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 743 by Phat
08-30-2022 12:26 PM


Re: Something Positive
Phat writes:
please use a different word than "trumps all". I dont like that word for some reason.
I used it deliberately. I almost capitalized it to emphasize the point.
(For somebody who claims not to like Trump, you sure agree with him a lot.)

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 746 of 895 (897213)
08-31-2022 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 745 by Phat
08-30-2022 3:43 PM


Re: Something Positive
Phat writes:
Its not Trump I agree with Its conservative platforms like continuing with oil and gas until we get green off the ground
O come on. You should know better than that. If you agree with A and Trump agrees with A, then you agree with Trump.
And it's pretty likely that what Trump agrees with is good for Trump, not you.
As for the blah blah blah about spending, shove it.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 751 of 895 (897483)
09-06-2022 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 749 by Phat
09-05-2022 3:17 PM


Re: William Lane Craig Revealed?
Phat writes:
I suppose it is healthy to question and even doubt at times
It is ALWAYS healthy to question and doubt. It is NEVER healthy to slavishly follow "what sounds good" even if it comes from the Almighty William Lane Craig. (I don't know who that is, by the way.)
Phat writes:
When the economy goes berzerk...
I laugh. We have a commercial with a guy talking about "the great recession of 2008". I never noticed it. I was doing pretty well at the time. In my memory, we have had several worse economic periods, some of which effected me and some of which didn't.
Phat writes:
... as it surely will within 5 years at the latest
Hint for wannabe prophets: Don't predict anything within your own lifetime.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 755 of 895 (897520)
09-07-2022 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 752 by Phat
09-06-2022 2:04 PM


Re: William Lane Craig, The Profit.
Phat writes:
I believe, however, that nobody should be talked or coached out of their faith.
Does that include Islam?
And if they could be talked out of it, how valid was it anyway?
I think freeing people from slavery is a good thing. People should be taught how to think their way out of it.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 758 of 895 (897526)
09-07-2022 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 756 by Phat
09-07-2022 12:05 PM


Re: Keyword: Son. We are sons, not slaves.
Phat writes:
Not if you are coaching them to throw Allah away. If you are a Christian, OTOH, you can explain to them that Allah really DID have a Son.
What about Hindus, then? Which of the Hindu gods can you shoehorn your Jesus into?
Phat writes:
You sure either got talked out of it or talked yourself out of it quite easily.
You wish that was true, don't you? You wish you could believe that MY faith was never as strong as YOUR faith.
But it isn't true. Not even close to being close to being true.
I never had anybody try to talk me out of my faith (see disclaimer below). On the contrary, just about everybody I knew tried to keep me IN my faith. It would have been SOOOOO easy to keep believing....
Except that there was no truth to the belief. It wasn't that I didn't WANT to believe. It was that what I was supposed to believe was nonsense.
Disclaimer: It was people like YOU who destroyed my beliefs. Your utterly stupid attempts to bolster your utterly stupid beliefs only confirm that it would be utterly stupid to fall into that trap again.
Phat writes:
Except that Christians are taught that we are sons and daughters. NOT Slaves.
You're taught lies.
Have you ever seen Conan the Barbarian? Thulsa Doom (James Earl Jones) calls Conan (Arnold Schwarzenegger), "My son, my son," as he is hypnotizing him so he can kill him.
You're a slave who has been fooled into thinking he's a son. You're a janitor who thinks he owns the building.
Phat writes:
People should be taught to think period.
And yet you're constantly talking against evidence, rationality, skepticism, etc. Practice what you preach. If people would THINK rationally, skeptically, based on evidence, there would be a lot less religion in the world.
Phat writes:
There is not always a need to get out of something unless it is harmful for you.
But it IS harmful to you. Your faith has made you an arrogant bastard who thinks he knows better than everybody else. You're constantly telling us that "we'll see" that you were right. It's harming you financially. It's harmin your physical heath and your mental health.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 766 of 895 (897584)
09-08-2022 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 760 by Phat
09-08-2022 10:58 AM


Re: Keyword: Son. We are sons, not slaves.
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
You and GDR postulate a puny god who can't do this and can't understand that. We humans create things that are deliberately stronger than us and smarter than us.
​First off, it was meant to be a joke directed at you.
I can't find what you quoted in the post you quoted, so I don't know what you said that was supposedly a "joke".
Phat writes:
At how you can't understand a God who "allows evil".
I can't understand why YOU can't understand that "allowing" evil when you can prevent it is the same as DOING evil. And I don't know why you would joke about that.
Phat writes:
Second of all, if you can imagine a God stronger and smarter than you, and if you claim that YOUR Faith was every bit as strong---stronger even than MY faith, why did you dump Jesus?
I have answered that many times. You really should read my posts.
I dumped the character Jesus BECAUSE he's just a character. He never existed. He never died. He never rose from the dead. He is certainly NOT alive today. The theology you have made up around him is inconsistent and irrational nonsense.
On the other hand, YOU have dumped his message.
Phat writes:
And if you were Christian...Mennonite or whatever...you would have known Jesus.
I thought I knew Jesus, just like you think you know Jesus. I was told that I could know Jesus just like you have been told that you can know Jesus. But it's a lie.
Phat writes:
I don't see something in the Good Book (no longer dusty, I wiped it clean with a sanitizing towelette) as an ironclad rule that I MUST follow or else.
Not even if Jesus explicitly said that it was an ironclad rule that you MUST follow or else? And isn't it convenient that you decide you don't have to do anything hard?
Phat writes:
You claim that I mock Jesus. Challenging Him is NOT mocking Him.
First of all, "challenging Jesus" would be a very stupid thing to do. Second, you certainly DO mock the idea of giving up everything and trusting him.
Phat writes:
Again, I'm a Son...NOT a Slave.
You're a slave to right-wing politics and right-wing theology.
Phat writes:
I think that your Faith was so authoritarian...
All faith is authoritarian. Why else would your handlers tell yo to avoid skepticism and doubt?
Phat writes:
... that you were afraid--at first--to talk yourself out of it.
Just like YOU are afraid to THINK yourself out of it.
Phat writes:
Once you did, you left in peace secure in your new knowledge of facts and critical thought...
No. Critical thought is never secure. The whole point of critical thought is to avoid carved-in-stone secure ideas.
Phat writes:
...yet sad to wave away Jesus as some human-created mythos.
What's sad about getting rid of a false idea?
Phat writes:
I would NEVER do such a thing.
Because then you'd have to face the dreaded reality.
Phat writes:
Perhaps I don't listen to Him as strongly as you once did, but I have no regrets.
A life without regrets is an empty life.
Phat writes:
The apologist would argue that evil had to be part of the option of true free will.
The apologist has lost that argument many times in this forum.
Phat writes:
Im in favor of intelligence and feel that it should *not* lead to abandoning ones faith....
Why shouldn't intelligence lead where it leads?
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
It is ALWAYS healthy to question and doubt. It is NEVER healthy to slavishly follow "what sounds good" even if it comes from the Almighty William Lane Craig.
OK, I agree.
And yet you're afraid to doubt your faith and your made-up Jesus.
Phat writes:
If an oddly shaped alian body were ever found, you all would jump on that belief simply due to the facts of scientific enquiry and evidence.
I don't know what that means.
Phat writes:
Heck, dwise1 gave up after reading Genesis!!
It is convenient that the Bible is wrong so many times just on the first page. You don't have to read much of it - but the more you do read, the more you find that's wrong.
Phat writes:
I would have given up too!
You didn't give up on the Bible until the New testament. You made up your own Jesus to replace the one who expects you to DO things.
Phat writes:
I dont resent you all having given up.
That's like saying you don't resent mothers feeding their babies. What on earth would give you the right to resent it?
Phat writes:
Additionally, you can make a case for the modern conservatives and their slavish devotion to Trump. They are more like slaves than the Christians are!
Sure. They're more like slaves than you are. And yet you keep agreeing with Trump.
*************
Thanks for the report on Faith. I always liked her (she reminds me of a real-life Faith I used to know) and I wish she would/could come back. You can tell her that I, for one, forgive her, though I suspect that her list of her "sins" against us would not align with mine. I think I always gave better (worse) than I got with her.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 767 of 895 (897585)
09-08-2022 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 762 by Phat
09-08-2022 11:14 AM


Re: Keyword: Son. We are sons, not slaves.
Phat writes:
I won't disagree except to say not to blame Jesus for my behavior. It is all on me.
Why would I blame something that doesn't exist? I don't blame the leprechauns either.
And I don't care about your behavior. It's your hatred of thinking that I don't like.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 786 of 895 (897750)
09-10-2022 10:04 PM
Reply to: Message 770 by Phat
09-09-2022 3:26 PM


Re: Hatred Of Thinking?
Phat writes:
Its not so much where "it" leads....its where you follow.
That's a silly attempt at cleverness. Without lead there is no follow.
Phat writes:
No, I mock you for claiming it is the standard.
It couldn't be any more black-and-white that it is the standard. You're not mocking a claim. You're mocking the standard.
Phat writes:
I would estimate that less than 5% of self-proclaimed Christians do it.
Argument from popularity is not valid.
Phat writes:
You never dared to do it.
How would you know that?
Phat writes:
You thought yourself out of what you labled a fantasy.
That has nothing to do with followig the standard.
Phat writes:
And then turn up the pressure on me...
How could I possibly put pressure on you?
Phat writes:
... hoping I will also deny that Jesus exists.
You've already demonstrated that your faith isn't real. What difference would it make if you admitted that YOUR made-up Jesus doesn't exist?
Phat writes:
If Jesus existed, (which I believe He does) He would not limit Himself to a character in a book.
YOU are limiting Him to the version that YOU made up. The version in the book is the only evidence we have for His existence.
Phat writes:
And I can assure you I don't make Him up.
Your assurance is worthless. It's perfectly obvious that your version is made up.
Phat writes:
How could I?
The same way any other fictional character is made up.
Phat writes:
It's your standards that are the illogical idea.
Show how they are illogical.
Phat writes:
All you are defending is a book.
I'm defending all of the evidence that we have. How could I do more than that?

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
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Message 787 of 895 (897751)
09-10-2022 10:08 PM
Reply to: Message 777 by Phat
09-09-2022 9:35 PM


Re: How I feel about religion
Phat writes:
Liberals are frustrated that nobody that they send can "beat" him in a debate.
Like Duame Gish? He lies faster than his lies can be refuted?

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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