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Phat
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Message 31 of 46 (896958)
08-27-2022 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Percy
08-26-2022 5:40 PM


The Psychology Of Conspiracy Theorists
Percy writes:
After many years of discussions with creationists I've found that many share one trait in common, and that is how hard they work at not understanding anything they disagree with. The flat Earthers share this trait, as do most conspiracy theorists, of which Phat is now one.
The only real conspiracy which I believe in is the idea that the US Government is in checkmate due to the excesses of Federal Reserve Policy. This will eventually necessitate full government control over all money held by citizens. As long as its a liberal progressive government, liberals will approve. Conservatives, on the other hand, will insist on the freedom to control their own money away from governmental control.
After all, we earn our money. It does not belong to the government.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Theodoric
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Message 32 of 46 (896959)
08-27-2022 12:29 PM
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08-27-2022 12:17 PM


Re: The Psychology Of Conspiracy Theorists
What does any of this really mean?
What is government control of money?
What is freedom to control your own money?
How are those cryptos doing?
Or those gold investments?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Percy
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Message 33 of 46 (896973)
08-27-2022 3:31 PM
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08-27-2022 12:17 PM


Re: The Psychology Of Conspiracy Theorists
Phat writes:
The only real conspiracy which I believe in...
Well of course you think it's a real conspiracy. That's one of the key qualities of conspiracy theorists, that they believe they're real, no matter how absurd and ridiculous. When caught up in their throes they are not influenced by evidence or rational argument.
Another quality of conspiracy theorists is that they see the world in terms of conspiracy theories.
It might have been Oliver Sacks who once began a book with a story about a man in a mental health institution who believed he was Napoleon Bonaparte. He was completely rational in all other ways, but no matter how much evidence was presented he could not be convinced he wasn't Napoleon. He believed it and lived it so deeply that he couldn't get by in the outside world and had to be institutionalized.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 34 of 46 (896976)
08-27-2022 3:37 PM
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08-27-2022 12:29 PM


Re: The Psychology Of Conspiracy Theorists
Theodoric writes:
How are those cryptos doing?
Or those gold investments?
Like the cultists who believed their leaders' predictions of the second coming or the end of the world or the arrival of aliens or whatever, it doesn't matter when the prediction doesn't come true. They go on believing anyway. If gold dropped to zero tomorrow (Headline: "Inexpensive transmutation of lead into gold discovered") Phat would still believe fiat currencies are a curse threatening the future of civilization.
--Percy

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nwr
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Message 35 of 46 (896979)
08-27-2022 3:48 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Phat
08-27-2022 12:17 PM


Re: The Psychology Of Conspiracy Theorists
After all, we earn our money. It does not belong to the government.
You really do not understand money.
You work -- or have worked -- in a service industry. You provided a service to others. And you wanted to exchange that service for other goods (such as food).
Money is merely an exchange medium to facilitate that kind of exchanging of good and services.
If you were living in the jungle, you would have to fight it out with the lions and the jackals. The services that you provide would not be of value. It is only because we are part of an organized society, that we can exchange services for goods.
Money, as an exchange medium, would be useless if there were no maintenance system in place. The Federal Reserve manages the needed maintenance system. Whenever you attempt to exchange service for goods, the work of the Federal Reserve behind the scenes is part of what allows this to succeed.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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ringo
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Message 36 of 46 (897095)
08-29-2022 1:27 PM
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08-26-2022 4:29 PM


Tangle writes:
.. but you know, 20 years? That's not patience that's madness.
Neither Phat nor I have even been here for 20 years.
And I prefer to think of myself as a yahoo.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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Daniel Grossman
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Message 37 of 46 (897121)
08-29-2022 2:53 PM
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08-23-2022 5:04 PM


Re: Not a discussion topic.
This is not true! Astrogeomanity its a serious topic

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Daniel Grossman
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Message 38 of 46 (897122)
08-29-2022 2:55 PM
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08-22-2022 7:41 PM


Re: Fundamental forces of the universe by Astrogeomanity. pseudoscientific or not?!
Sound particles & Light particles are not matter and considered as phenomenon forces by science and for that reason in Astrogeomanity we integrated the Light & Sound particles in the Fundamental forces list.

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AZPaul3
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Message 39 of 46 (897138)
08-29-2022 4:16 PM
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08-29-2022 2:53 PM


Re: Not a discussion topic.
Astrogeomanity its a serious topic
No. It's a friggin joke. Sound particles don't exist. Aggregates of matter particles impacted by the pressure wave of other adjacent particles constitutes sound. There is no sound carrying particle.
Photons are oscillations in the EM field. There is no separation of photon and EM field. They are the same thing.
Your periodic table is wrong on these and other points of well established physics.
Of what use could a wrong speculation like this be?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Percy
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Message 40 of 46 (897145)
08-29-2022 5:40 PM
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08-29-2022 2:53 PM


Re: Not a discussion topic.
You're not really like him at all, but still, there's something about you that reminds me of Dennis Markuze aka David Mabus.
--Percy

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Theodoric
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Message 41 of 46 (897146)
08-29-2022 6:04 PM
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08-29-2022 5:40 PM


Re: Not a discussion topic.
If there is any suspicion it is him you should ban him immediately.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Percy
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Message 42 of 46 (897148)
08-29-2022 6:26 PM
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08-29-2022 6:04 PM


Re: Not a discussion topic.
Theodoric writes:
If there is any suspicion it is him you should ban him immediately.
I didn't mean to imply he might be Markuze. He hasn't been heard from that I know of in seven or eight years.
I'm not sure what it is about Grossman that reminds me of Markuze. There's the disconnect from reality that they have in common, of course, but there's something else I can't put my finger on.
Oh wait. Maybe it's a combination of two things. Grossman's opening post and graphic were very weird, and also seems to lack any ability to respond meaningfully to any replies. Markuze shared these characteristics. He used to put together these incredibly weird messages that he posted over and over again to a number of discussion boards with minor modifications, but he couldn't respond articulately to any responses. He eventually ended up threatening people on the Internet, PZ Myers among them, and that's what got him in trouble.
--Percy

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AZPaul3
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Message 43 of 46 (897151)
08-29-2022 7:55 PM
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08-29-2022 6:26 PM


Markuze.
Pepperidge Farms remembers.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Theodoric
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Message 44 of 46 (897155)
08-29-2022 10:13 PM
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08-29-2022 6:26 PM


Re: Not a discussion topic.
I had a couple of run-ins with him. Disturbing enough that I reported it to the police at the time.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 45 of 46 (897161)
08-30-2022 2:53 AM
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08-29-2022 2:53 PM


Re: Not a discussion topic.
quote:
This is not true! Astrogeomanity its a serious topic
So where can we find the serious stuff? A so-called “Periodic Table” that looks like it was hastily put together by a thirteen-year-old doesn’t count.

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