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Author Topic:   Brexit - Should they stay or should they go?
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Message 731 of 887 (862279)
09-03-2019 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 730 by Diomedes
09-03-2019 2:21 PM


Re: Brexit Showdo
The plan is to pass a bill which requires the PM to ask for an extension rather than crash out with No Deal. I can see BoJo ignoring it and letting the crash out happen anyway.

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Message 733 of 887 (862283)
09-03-2019 3:31 PM
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09-03-2019 3:12 PM


Re: Brexit Showdo
it would be illegal to ignore it, but illegal isn’t the same as impossible.

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Message 742 of 887 (862404)
09-04-2019 4:40 PM
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09-04-2019 4:21 PM


Even more weird
The Bill against no deal has passed in the Commons.
It was amended to say that the purpose of asking the EU for an extension would be to pass Theresa May’s Deal.
Even stranger, the amendment passed because the government forgot (perhaps on purpose) to assign Tellers to the ‘No’ lobby.
If that had happened to something of major consequence there would be eruptions. Was Boris testing the waters ? Trying to set a precedent for future shenanigans?

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Message 771 of 887 (862792)
09-13-2019 10:58 AM


A really terrible example
Boris is still saying that we’ll leave by the 31st despite there being little sign of a deal, and a legal requirement to ask for an extension.
Bercow says that the PM openly defying the law would be a really terrible example
But this is Boris:

  
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Message 793 of 887 (865152)
10-21-2019 11:41 AM
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10-21-2019 11:33 AM


Re: Speaker Bercow blocks vote on Johnson's Deal
But obviously the right decision. Attempting to evade the Letwin Amendment by holding the vote a couple of days later is not and should not be acceptable.

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Message 807 of 887 (868435)
12-12-2019 9:04 AM
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12-12-2019 8:56 AM


Re: It's election day in the UK!
From my point of view a hung Parliament with strong representation for Labour and the Remain parties is best. Getting Boris’s deal through is not the end of the pain of Brexit, just the end of the beginning.
There’s still the effects of Brexit and the attempts to sort out a trade deal to come. As well as Boris being Boris. Ugggh!

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Message 847 of 887 (885480)
04-14-2021 12:56 PM
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04-14-2021 12:34 PM


It’s the consequences of Brexit, of course, You have to put a border between Britain and the EU somewhere. And following the land border would be a bit of a nightmare, as well as endangering the Good Friday Agreement.
But putting the border in the Irish Sea upsets the Unionists who see it as a step towards a United Ireland. So their paramilitaries are causing trouble.

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Message 849 of 887 (886234)
05-11-2021 3:26 PM
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05-11-2021 3:22 PM


Re: Second Scottish Referendum?
We all knew it was coming. It’s been talked about for weeks.
It will be put off while they sort out COVID and get life back to something approximating normal.
But when moves start to implement it, things will get interesting. The only good side of it for Boris is that his job looks less of a prize with that business looming on the horizon.

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Message 852 of 887 (897021)
08-28-2022 3:30 AM
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08-28-2022 1:16 AM


Re: Still In Love With Brexit?
I haven’t changed my mind. Brexit is still a pile of shit,

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Message 853 of 887 (897022)
08-28-2022 3:33 AM
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08-28-2022 1:59 AM


Re: Still In Love With Brexit?
Vegemite is Australian. Maybe you mean Marmite?

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Message 862 of 887 (897158)
08-30-2022 12:47 AM
Reply to: Message 858 by Tangle
08-29-2022 3:59 PM


Re: The Final Results
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If the clown hadn't turned out to also be a pathological liar maybe things would have worked out better...
I doubt it. Staying in the Single Market was out - because staying in makes Brexit a bit daft. So we get a load of trading problems and trouble in Northern Ireland, no matter which pro-Brexit type is in charge. Boris’s incompetence added a shit topping to the shit sandwich, but it was always going to be shit.

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Message 875 of 887 (897859)
09-14-2022 7:58 AM
Reply to: Message 874 by Phat
09-14-2022 7:45 AM


Re: "Leaked" RAND Document
Yandex is Russian, so this is almost certainly Russian government propaganda and completely false.
John Mark Dougan is a conspiracy theorist living in Russia, not a legitimate journalist.
Nobody in the West wanted this war - that’s all on Putin and his war-mongering allies.
And this should be in the “War in Europe” thread.

Edited by PaulK, : Added name of correct thread

Edited by PaulK, : Info on John Mark Dougan


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Message 880 of 887 (899888)
10-20-2022 3:53 PM
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10-20-2022 3:41 PM


Re: Liv Truss to Resign as PM
The BBC explains it here
But simply put she planned massive tax cuts funded by borrowing without bothering to look at the forecasts. The market didn’t like it, so the cost of Government borrowing shot up. The Bank of England had to intervene to protect pension plans, and the pound fell steeply.
There was a lot of mismanagement of the situation after that, but that’s more politics than economics.

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Message 882 of 887 (899894)
10-20-2022 5:10 PM
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10-20-2022 4:52 PM


Re: Liv Truss to Resign as PM
Apart from badly upsetting the markets, causing significant economic damage to the country, forcing interest rate rises - at a time of serious difficulties and rising inflation.
Then grudgingly making a u-turn and sacking her Chancellor, and appointing a replacement who seems to be running the show.
Then, yesterday, losing her Home Secretary (who she may have forced out) making a complete pigs ear of a vote in the Commons and badly upsetting a lot of her own party’s MPs.
And let’s not forget that despite the bounce effect of replacing BoJo The Clown she managed to tank the Conservative Party’s popularity so badly that they run the risk of being annihilated in the next General Election. If the popularity figures turned into votes (they won’t) the Tories presence in Parliament would be reduced to single figures.

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Message 886 of 887 (900164)
10-24-2022 12:48 PM
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10-20-2022 5:10 PM


Re: Liv Truss to Resign as PM
So, Sunak got in, unopposed. Which means that the ordinary party members don’t have a chance to make things worse (they chose Truss over him, last time).
BoJo claimed to have the support, but stood down anyway (it seems unlikely that he had that many willing to nominate him, but maybe he had enough equivocal expressions of support to make the claim without outright lying - or maybe not). Mordaunt couldn’t get enough nominations. The 1922 Committee must be very happy about raising the number of nominations required.
I’m not greatly impressed by Sunak, but he’s not the worst option.

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