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Topic: Coffee House Musings on Creationist Topic Proposals
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4411 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.4
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Message 738 of 1429 (896862)
08-24-2022 1:44 PM
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Reply to: Message 728 by Dredge
08-24-2022 12:20 AM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Sludge writes: Even the village idiot would expect non-human mammals to more closely model human conditions than mollusks or fish. It is interesting that even the village idiot recognizes the obvious evolutionary relatedness of humans with other vertebrates, mammals, placentals, and apes, and the more distant relatedness with all the invertebrates.
Sludge writes: You don't need the theory of UCD to figure out that mammals are "more closely related to humans" physiologically than mollusks or fish. YOU may not need it, but WE have that knowledge and find it quite useful. And we just keep learning more and more.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4411 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.4
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Message 743 of 1429 (896876)
08-24-2022 9:29 PM
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Reply to: Message 742 by Dredge
08-24-2022 9:21 PM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Just noting that you still have never presented an argument or supporting evidence.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4411 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.4
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Message 747 of 1429 (896880)
08-24-2022 10:35 PM
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Reply to: Message 745 by Dredge
08-24-2022 10:18 PM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Sludge writes: In what way has the so-called knowledge of UCD been found to be "useful" in medicine? You have already been give numerous examples, that you ignore.
Sludge writes: A human's "evolutionary relatedness" to invertebrates is based on a theory ... That is incorrect. It is based in the same biology that tells us our evolutionary relationships to the vertebrates.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4411 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.4
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Message 750 of 1429 (896883)
08-25-2022 12:03 AM
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Reply to: Message 749 by Dredge
08-24-2022 11:02 PM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Sludge writes: Please b advised that no one has yet provided an example of how UCD hss proven useful in medicine. All that has been provided thus far is lame Darwinist propaganda. And there we have undisputable proof that you are just a pathetic troll, in your own words. No example, no evidence would ever satisfy you, but luckily, you don't get to decide what data any science uses including medical science. All the discoveries we have made in biology, including the evolution and relatedness of life on this planet are part of our arsenals of tools that can be utilized by medical science. Interestingly, something we never see is creationism, ID, or prayer being useful tools in the medical science toolkit. Faith healers are not replacing neurosurgeons. We are all carrying on using our knowledge to learn more new things and you have no influence over the tools we choose to use. We have tried many different ways to provide information to correct your confusion and delusions, but you remain committed to misunderstanding and misinterpreting us.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4411 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.4
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Message 766 of 1429 (896937)
08-27-2022 12:25 AM
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Reply to: Message 765 by AZPaul3
08-26-2022 11:45 PM
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Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
If you understood evolution you would know this seeming inconsistency is consistent throughout all organisms. That's one reason there are sooo many types of beetles. I was thinking about this as I read the post you are answering Message 762. All his miraculous crap about whale pelvis and tails is just silly to an entomologist. The absolutely astounding variety of body plans and life histories between all the orders of insects is unrivaled but any other group of organisms. We also see huge variation within orders of insects also. We used to think beetles held the record for the highest number of species, but not it looks like it's the wasps, primarily because of the staggering numbers of parasitoid wasps. It appears that every insect species has one or more parasitoids that target that one species exclusively. Until recently most went undetected because of their microscopic size (<2mm). There's a plasticity to almost every insect morphological feature, mothparts, eyes, head shape, front legs, middle legs hind legs antennae, front wings, hind wings, genitalia, pheromones and chemical defenses, and on and on and on.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4411 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.4
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Message 799 of 1429 (897322)
09-02-2022 6:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 786 by Dredge
08-31-2022 12:26 AM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Sludge writes: I can sort of understand why a scientist, having lost an argument to the village-idiot, would resort to pulling out the "troll" card in a desperate attempt to save face. Well, I guess I missed the part where you provided any evidence to support your argument. And I was just pointing out your trollish behavior once again, since I realized how much you like Pete and repeat.
Sludge writes: As for the "relatedness of life" ... yes, but only in the sense that there are genetic similarities between species. But if by "relatedness of life", you mean the theory of UCD ... no, that theory is irrelevant and useless to medicine. Those genetic similarities are all due to sharing a common ancestor and since you are neither a scientist or a doctor you have no say in what is relevant or useful in medicine.
Sludge writes: Tanypteryx writes:
Interestingly, something we never see is creationism, ID, or prayer being useful tools in the medical science toolkit. Faith healers are not replacing neurosurgeons.
Interestingly, you're strawmaning again. Sorry, but straw-manning would be saying something untrue, while what I did was make a snide observation.
Sludge writes: For some strange reason, you seem incapable of separating useful facts from a useless theory that attempts to explain why those facts exist. For some strange reason you keep making the same unsupported claims.
Sludge writes: It's as if, once upon a time, someone told you that "nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of UCD" and you believed it, never stopping to consider the veracity of that Darwinist doctrine. I guess you need to cling to your fantasies, but no one has ever said that to me and we have moved so far beyond Darwin that it's just a warm glow in the rear view mirror.
Sludge writes: Isn't it fascinating that even highly intelligent folks, such as scientists, are not immune from brainwashing and episodes of cognitive dissonance? Yep, that's pretty fascinating alright. I wonder who the brainwasher is? Do they wash the brains when they're kids or wait until they put on their lab coats? Maybe brainwashing 101 at the local community college.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4411 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.4
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Message 833 of 1429 (899140)
10-09-2022 12:50 AM
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Reply to: Message 831 by xongsmith
10-09-2022 12:43 AM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
WOW what happened to you that your brain cannot see this? He's a troll. Being an obnoxious asshole is the most positive thing he has going on in his life.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4411 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.4
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Message 954 of 1429 (900585)
10-29-2022 10:32 AM
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Reply to: Message 953 by Dredge
10-29-2022 1:13 AM
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Re: UCD evidence
Sludge writes: Note: For the record, UCD does provide an explanation for why those genetic similarities exist, but that is irrelevant to the discussion. Not to us. It is central to the argument. It will keep coming up, since you keep trying to deflect attention from it. We use it every day, we talk about it every day, we compare relatedness in labs around the world every day. You repeating the same erroneous claim over and over and stamping your feet doesn't change the fact that scientists will use the UCD until a better tool is introduced. You and your argument are completely irrelevant.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4411 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.4
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Message 962 of 1429 (900736)
10-31-2022 11:44 AM
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Reply to: Message 959 by Dredge
10-31-2022 7:05 AM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Sludge writes: Your Darwinist propaganda doesn't add up. According to Darwinist folklore, birds and fish, for example, "share common ancestry with humans", but birds and fish aren't used as models by medical science. Why not? Because mammals are closer relatives, once again showing the usefulness of UCD.
Gee, might it have something to do with the fact that there are other animals more genetically, anatomically and physiologically similar to humans than birds and fish ... rats and mice, for example Holy Crap! Do you not see the absurdity of this argument. The reason that mammals are more similar to humans is because of closer shared common ancestry and shared common ancestry is UCD.
Do you even understand my argument? Who's "challenging common ancestry"? If you are challenging UCD you are challenging common ancestry.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4411 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.4
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Message 970 of 1429 (900812)
10-31-2022 7:09 PM
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Reply to: Message 969 by Dredge
10-31-2022 6:29 PM
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Re: UCD evidence
Relatedness doesn't need the theory of UCD in order to exist. There is no issue of need, the reality is that UCD explains the relatedness.
Relatedness doesn't need the theory of UCD in order to provide practical uses in biological and medical science. And yet we use UCD anyway, because it explains the relatedness.
it's as though you have some weird psychological dependence on the theory of UCD and can't think without it Well, you suck at making psychological assessments. I recognize reality and would rather describe it accurately, than distort it as you do.
you can't cite even one example of the theory of UCD providing a practical use in biological or medical science. Despite your creationist rhetoric, you have not offered a single plausible explanation for the relatedness that we see in the life on this planet, UCD explains it all wrapped with a nice bow. Your prayers are not convincing anyone.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4411 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.4
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Message 979 of 1429 (900890)
11-01-2022 1:57 PM
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Reply to: Message 978 by xongsmith
11-01-2022 1:32 PM
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Re: UCD evidence
It's ASSFUCKED. He's so fucked he doesn't even know how ASSFUCKED he is.
This is Dunning-Kruger on steroids. The President of ClusterFuck U.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4411 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.4
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Message 1004 of 1429 (901015)
11-03-2022 4:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 994 by Dredge
11-03-2022 11:34 AM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Wrong. It's because mammals are closer GENETICALLY And the reason mammals are closer GENETICALLY is because they are more closely related.
It's as if you think the genetic similarities between humans and other mammals would cease to exist if no one accepted the theory of UCD. It's as if you think the genetic relatedness of humans and other mammals would cease to exist because some idiot who has no knowledge of anything says so.
Tell me, Confuso, did the theory of UCD create the genetic similarities between species that medical science makes use of? Nope, evolution created the genetic similarities between species that medical science makes use of.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4411 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.4
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Message 1007 of 1429 (901033)
11-03-2022 9:15 PM
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Reply to: Message 1006 by Dredge
11-03-2022 8:02 PM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Are you high or something?
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4411 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.4
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Message 1047 of 1429 (901126)
11-05-2022 10:28 AM
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Reply to: Message 1043 by Dredge
11-05-2022 12:57 AM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Sludge writes: Tanypteryx writes: evolution created the genetic similarities between species that medical science makes use of.
If no one believed evolution created those genetic similarities, would those genetic similarities still exist? Yes, of course. Just like God will still be imaginary not matter how many people believe in it.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4411 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.4
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Message 1054 of 1429 (901193)
11-05-2022 7:06 PM
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Reply to: Message 1053 by Dredge
11-05-2022 6:44 PM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Those genetic similarities exist because of common descent, so yes they would still exist regardless of beliefs. That's what is so cool, once researchers started sequencing genes those similarities were discovered just as was predicted. The pattern of genetic similarities is clear and obvious for every species that has been sequenced so far. They all fit into a nested hierarchy that demonstrates inheritance and common descent.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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