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Phat
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Message 3058 of 3207 (896676)
08-16-2022 6:38 PM
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Reply to: Message 3057 by Dredge
08-16-2022 6:32 PM
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Troll Alert
Dredge...that last post is in fact an example of trollish behavior. You know darn well what they are trying to teach you about word definitions. Why can't you acknowledge it and move the conversation along rather than insist that your narrow view is correct? Just sayin
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Phat
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Here & Now
Parasomnium writes: That's why I put my money on the here and now, which is the only where and when I can do something about making my life, and that of others, worth living. Its like that old saying:
The Past Is History
The Future Is A Mystery So Focus On The Present.
(The present is a gift) Logically, if I (we, you) focus on the present, the future takes care of itself...no matter what happens. Edited by Phat, : fixed broken quote
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Message 3064 of 3207 (896684)
08-16-2022 7:48 PM
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Reply to: Message 3063 by Dredge
08-16-2022 7:45 PM
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Re: Troll Alert
One would think that if a five-year-old could indeed "prove" something, they would be using science for perhaps the first time in their young lives....through reasoning. Perhaps their teacher would remind them that they proved nothing. They merely demonstrated it. Keep in mind what the peanut gallery has taught us about "proofs".  Edited by Phat, : added
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Re: Soul Man
Theodoric writes: How about backing this with some sort of evidence? The thought occurred to me so I did a quick search in order to find out what others thought of my assertion. I ended up at this page: What Makes Us Human And Separates Us from Animals? I used the first quote and browsed the article quickly (admittedly) but it seemed to be satisfactory evidence for my claim. Do you agree?
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Message 3068 of 3207 (896700)
08-17-2022 12:05 AM
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Reply to: Message 3066 by Percy
08-16-2022 8:51 PM
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Re: Soul Man
You're not going to make an argument? In order to do that, I would have to learn the science behind the article. I can peruse something and learn the gist of what is being presented, but I don't have time to learn the subject any more than any of you take the time to learn what believers believe or why they so adamantly defend it. In order for me to learn the science, I would have to essentially take a class. In order for you to understand belief, you would literally have to suspend your intuitive demands for evidence and simply declare that you trust God (should He exist). Neither of us want to get so far out of our comfort zones.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Phat
Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.1
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Re: Omnichron?
if you can do anything and know everything, why would you need to be everywhere? My first thought was that the Holy Spirit is a bit like having cellphone service. You want to be sure that you can connect whereever you happen to be. That being said, I agree that the first two cover the area quite well. Now about Omnibenevolence.
Wiki writes: Omnibenevolence (from Latin omni- meaning "all", bene- meaning "good" and volens meaning "willing") is defined by the Oxford English Dictionary as "unlimited or infinite benevolence". Some philosophers[citation needed] have argued that it is impossible, or at least improbable, for a deity to exhibit such a property alongside omniscience and omnipotence, as a result of the problem of evil. However, some philosophers, such as Alvin Plantinga, argue the plausibility of co-existence. Many critics and social activists insist that a God worthy of any homage, acknowledgment, or worship *must be* Onibenevolent. The counter-argument is that God initially allowed (had to allow) evil to exist for two reasons. 1) Humans needed exposure to the spirit of evil in order to revile against it, learn to fight it in ourselves and to finally become benevolent like God. 2) Satan(formerly Lucifer) had to be allowed an opportunity to rebel and reject God's authority in order to fulfill the freewill doctrine. Humans are given a choice and similar opportunities. Tange hates this theory and asks why God couldn't have dealt with evil by simply not creating/allowing it or by erasing it on our behalf. I don't have an answer except to suggest that if not only evil but God Himself was eliminated from the equation the problem realistically wouldn't go away.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Message 3083 of 3207 (896727)
08-17-2022 1:51 PM
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Reply to: Message 3082 by ringo
08-17-2022 12:23 PM
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Re: Omnichron?
well...we have a say in what *we* do but no say (apart from uninformed opinions) about what God should do. the Book explains how we *should* relate to God and Jesus, but provides a few examples of how *they* should relate to us. After all, what standard is higher?
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Message 3084 of 3207 (896728)
08-17-2022 1:53 PM
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Reply to: Message 3081 by ringo
08-17-2022 12:20 PM
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Re: Parameters By Definition
Next thing you know, they will change the wording on the money to "In Gods We Trust". Or even worse, In Humanity We Trust. As if humanity has not caused all wars and economic crashes!
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Message 3085 of 3207 (896729)
08-17-2022 1:57 PM
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Reply to: Message 3076 by ringo
08-17-2022 11:48 AM
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Re: Here & Now
All it really suggests is "Live For Today. Today is sacred." Too many people live in the past and/or dream of a future with no regard for reality.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Message 3086 of 3207 (896730)
08-17-2022 2:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 3078 by ringo
08-17-2022 12:04 PM
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Re: Soul Man
ringo writes: We came from where you are and realized that the belief was worthless. And that was a mistake. It was devolution rather than evolution. Sadly, the world will have to figure out this mistake the hard way. One prime example is the devolution of money. Money used to be backed by something solid and concrete. Now, due to our enlightened view of economics, money floats on the confidence that nations have for each other...a source that can change on a dime. (pun intended  )
Many of us know more about your beliefs than you do. I challenge that. How can you know my own unique thought process, prayer life, and decisions I make? All you have to go on is my historical statements, my current behavior, and what my "in-group" believes. And you don't even know them!!
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Phat
Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.1
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Re: Soul Man
If I turned into a troll, *you* turned into a one-sentence critic who imagines that he knows more than the rest of us. Sad, but expected.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Phat
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The Man In The Mirror
I am as capable of it as anyone here. I took your advice Percy. Thank you. Thank you both. Its not easy to change for the better. Apparently, it is far easier to get worse. And how does one simply change the emotional reactions that they find bottled up within them? Edited by Phat, .
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Message 3108 of 3207 (896822)
08-23-2022 6:42 PM
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Reply to: Message 3099 by Dredge
08-22-2022 10:16 PM
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Interesting Forbes Article
Here is an article you might like:
Scientific Proof Is A Mythquote:
You've heard of our greatest scientific theories: the theory of evolution, the Big Bang theory, the theory of gravity. You've also heard of the concept of a proof, and the claims that certain pieces of evidence prove the validities of these theories. Fossils, genetic inheritance, and DNA prove the theory of evolution. The Hubble expansion of the Universe, the evolution of stars, galaxies, and heavy elements, and the existence of the cosmic microwave background prove the Big Bang theory. And falling objects, GPS clocks, planetary motion, and the deflection of starlight prove the theory of gravity.
Except that's a complete lie. While they provide very strong evidence for those theories, they aren't proof. In fact, when it comes to science, proving anything is an impossibility.
Reality is a complicated place. All we have to guide us, from an empirical point of view, are the quantities we can measure and observe. Even at that, those quantities are only as good as the tools and equipment we use to make those observations and measurements. Distances and sizes are only as good as the measuring sticks you have access to; brightness measurements are only as good as your ability to count and quantify photons; even time itself is only known as well as the clock you have to measure its passage. No matter how good our measurements and observations are, there's a limit to how good they are.
We also can't observe or measure everything. Even if the Universe weren't subject to the fundamental quantum rules that govern it, along with all its inherent uncertainty, it wouldn't be possible to measure every state of every particle under every condition all the time. At some point, we have to extrapolate. This is incredibly powerful and incredibly useful, but it's also incredibly limiting.
The curvature of space means that clocks that are deeper into a gravitational well -- and hence, in... [+] more severely curved space -- run at a different rate than ones in a shallower, less-curved portion of space. While our predictions for GPS satellites work extraordinarily well, even this cannot 'prove' that General Relativity is correct. In order to come up with a model capable of predicting what will happen under a variety of conditions, we need to understand a few things. What we're capable of measuring, and to what precision.
What's been measured thus far, under specific initial conditions.
What laws hold for these phenomena, i.e., what observed relationships exist between specific quantities.
And what the limits are for the things we presently know. If you understand these things, you have the right ingredients to formulate a scientific theory: a framework for explaining what we already know happens as well as predicting what will happen under new, untested circumstances.
If you look farther and farther away, you also look farther and farther into the past. The farthest... [+] we can see back in time is 13.8 billion years: our estimate for the age of the Universe. It's the extrapolation back to the earliest times that led to the idea of the Big Bang. While everything we observe is consistent with the Big Bang framework, it's not something that can ever be proven.
Our best theories, like the aforementioned theory of evolution, the Big Bang theory, and Einstein's General Relativity, cover all of these bases. They have an underlying quantitative framework, enabling us to predict what will happen under a variety of situations, and to then go out and test those predictions empirically. So far, these theories have demonstrated themselves to be eminently valid. Where their predictions can be described by mathematical expressions, we can tell not only what should happen, but by how much. For these theories in particular, among many others, measurements and observations that have been performed to test these theories have been supremely successful. But as validating as that is — and as powerful as it is to falsify alternatives — it's completely impossible to prove anything in science.
In science, even mathematical proofs are less than 100% certain, as it's not 100% certain that the mathematical rules apply to your physical system.
It isn't simply that galaxies are moving away from us that causes a redshift, but rather that the... [+] Larry McNish of RASC Calgary Center It's a leap of faith to assume that it will, and while these are often good leaps of faith, you cannot prove that these leaps are always valid. If the laws of nature change over time, or behave differently under different conditions, or in different directions or locations, or aren't applicable to the system you're dealing with, your predictions will be wrong. And that's why everything we do in science, no matter how well it gets tested, is always preliminary. Even in theoretical physics, the most mathematical of all the sciences, our "proofs" aren't on entirely solid ground. If the assumptions we make about the underlying physical theory (or its mathematical structure) no longer apply — if we step outside the theory's range of validity — we'll "prove" something that turns out not to be true. If someone tells you a scientific theory has been proven, you should ask what they mean by that. Normally, they mean "they've convinced themselves that this thing is true," or they have overwhelming evidence that a specific idea is valid over a specific range. But nothing in science can ever truly be proven. It's always subject to revision.
In the standard model, the neutron's electric dipole moment is predicted to be a factor of ten... [+] billion larger than our observational limits show. The only explanation is that somehow, something beyond the Standard Model is protecting this CP symmetry. We can demonstrate a lot of things in science, but proving that CP is conserved in the strong interactions can never be done. This doesn't mean it's impossible to know anything at all. To the contrary, in many ways, scientific knowledge is the most "real" knowledge that we can possibly gain about the world. But in science, nothing is ever proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. As Einstein himself once said: The scientific theorist is not to be envied. For Nature, or more precisely experiment, is an inexorable and not very friendly judge of his work. It never says "Yes" to a theory. In the most favorable cases it says "Maybe," and in the great majority of cases simply "No." If an experiment agrees with a theory it means for the latter "Maybe," and if it does not agree it means "No." Probably every theory will someday experience its "No"—most theories, soon after conception. So don't try to prove things; try to convince yourself. And be your own harshest critic and your own greatest skeptic. Every scientific theory will someday fail, and when it does, that will herald a new era of scientific inquiry and discovery. And of all the scientific theories we've ever come up with, the best ones succeed for the longest amounts of time and over the greatest ranges possible. In some sense, it's better than a proof: it's the most correct description of the physical world humanity has ever imagined.
Ethan Siegel I am a Ph.D. astrophysicist, author, and science communicator, who professes physics and astronomy at various colleges. I have won numerous awards for science writing...
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Message 3112 of 3207 (896826)
08-23-2022 7:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 3109 by AZPaul3
08-23-2022 7:04 PM
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Re: Interesting Forbes Article
yes. (And don't go mentioning God.) I've no need to prove Him anyway. He proves Himself to me when needed. My biggest challenge is to listen.
AZ writes: And don’t get me started on physics. I’m thinking it was Matt O’Dowd who said that physics makes us wizards capable of predicting the future and manipulating the foundations of reality. Gotta have more respect for wizards. They do some other real wizard stuff too like look into the past and watch whales evolve. Some people rather like the idea of being Wizards. Highly evolved animals and their dreams! 
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Message 3119 of 3207 (896844)
08-24-2022 6:18 AM
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Reply to: Message 3117 by AZPaul3
08-23-2022 8:35 PM
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Monsters Under The Bed
Phat writes: Some people rather like the idea of being Wizards. Highly evolved animals and their dreams!
AZPaul3 writes: Yes, we like that. Just like those who like the idea of being acolytes to a bloody monster. Honestly I can't figure out what monster you are talking about...though organized religion historically could be a valid culprit. Soldiers coming home from Viet Nam used to be labeled as "baby killers" which had some truth to it--though war, in general, is hell by definition. And in that case, the "monster" in question was both the United States and the spread of global Communism in general. Don't kid yourself...they would have killed our babies too if they had a longer reach! I did look up your boy Matt O Dowd and watched a few episodes of PBS Space Time. It was fascinating and highly inconclusive, as any good science show should be! Quantum physics is as close to Majik as any human mortal will ever get. Edited by Phat, . Edited by Phat, : changed sub title
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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