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Topic: Coffee House Musings on Creationist Topic Proposals
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4413 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.3
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Message 631 of 1429 (896525)
08-12-2022 4:16 PM
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Reply to: Message 630 by Dredge
08-12-2022 3:30 PM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Sludge writes: That was a miscarriage of justice. Well, it stopped a group of religious fanatics from trying to indoctrinate other people's children.
Sludge writes: It will be overturned one day Nothing would surprise me as the U.S. is corrupted and turned into a shithole country, but as far as i know there are no appeals of the decision working their way through the court system at this time.
Sludge writes: The truth cannot be suppressed forever. This is probably correct. What truth are you talking about, and if it's be suppressed how do you know about it?
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4413 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.3
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Message 635 of 1429 (896533)
08-12-2022 7:12 PM
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Reply to: Message 634 by Dredge
08-12-2022 7:01 PM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Sludge writes: A sad day for truth What truth?
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4413 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.3
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Message 639 of 1429 (896537)
08-12-2022 7:39 PM
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Reply to: Message 637 by Dredge
08-12-2022 7:27 PM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
There's no truth without supporting evidence.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4413 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.3
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Message 640 of 1429 (896538)
08-12-2022 7:49 PM
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Reply to: Message 636 by Dredge
08-12-2022 7:25 PM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
It's the genetic similarities due to universal common ancestry between humans and other animals that have proven useful in medicine.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4413 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.3
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Message 642 of 1429 (896560)
08-13-2022 10:27 AM
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Reply to: Message 641 by Dredge
08-13-2022 3:07 AM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Sludge writes: The "due to universal common ancestry" is irrelevant. Medicine doesn't need to know what produced the genetic similarities to make use of them. Well, medicine DOES know about universal common ancestry and the more you know the more likely you will be able to find models for human health issues. You can pray for miracles all you want but I will go with medical science every time. Knowledge keeps increasing, but ignorance and stupidity lead nowhere good. Edited by Tanypteryx, .
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4413 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.3
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Message 644 of 1429 (896562)
08-13-2022 11:23 AM
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Reply to: Message 643 by dwise1
08-13-2022 11:18 AM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
dwise1 writes: ... , but ignorance and stupidity lead nowhere.
That is not true. And history is filled with examples of where ignorance and stupidity do lead. The short list includes famine and death. Yeah, I should have said "but ignorance and stupidity lead nowhere good.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4413 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.3
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Message 709 of 1429 (896739)
08-18-2022 12:16 AM
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Reply to: Message 696 by Dredge
08-16-2022 11:04 PM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Sludge writes: Tanypteryx writes: medicine DOES know about universal common ancestry and the more you know the more likely you will be able to find models for human health issues.
Why? That's how it works, knowledge increases, built upon past discoveries. Why don't you know this?
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4413 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.3
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Message 710 of 1429 (896748)
08-18-2022 11:10 AM
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Mr ID is back and still as stupid as ever
It hardly seems worth the effort, his proposed topic The New Intelligent Design and Its Discoveries and Its Curiosities is the same pathetic gibberish and flawed reasoning as his prior threads. It's almost as if he doesn't remember that everything he said on earlier visits was completely refuted.
Mr ID writes: Hi, I just wanted to share to you the new Intelligent Design. I am the father and founder of it. We remember your delusions of grandeur.
Mr ID writes: Either the invented definitions are not part of reality and must be changed, or we need to reinvent another realities, fantasies, perhaps, like Evolution. Thus, somebody must discovered the real and actual definitions and descriptions of those words - testable, usable, numerical, universal and scientific - to be used both in science and in reality, so that we could explain reality better. That is real naturalistic science. Maybe Mr. ID and Dredge could get together and redefine scientific jargon...
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4413 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.3
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Message 712 of 1429 (896751)
08-18-2022 8:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 711 by AZPaul3
08-18-2022 4:32 PM
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Re: Mr ID is back and still as stupid as ever
Science by YouTube video. Still cannot show examples or efficacy. Sabine Hossenfelder he's not. More like Dr. Alphonse Mephisto.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4413 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.3
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Re: Mr ID is back and still as stupid as ever
MrID writes: Message 1 Now we are discussing in science. I think that you are talking science too. If you are going to ask a scientist (even here) this simple question: "is biological cell intelligently designed or not?" (ID) That's easy, biological cells are not designed.
MrID writes: They could never answer that. We have dictionaries. We have invented definitions and descriptions of "intelligence". Why they could never answer that simple real question? Sometimes, I gave them another options. I used another words for "intelligence". Here they are: "is biological cell intentionally designed or not?" (ID) Biological cells are not designed.
MrID writes: Or "is biological cell importantly designed or not?" (ID)
Biological cells are not designed.
MrID writes: Or "is biological cell smartly designed or not?" Biological cells are not designed.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4413 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.3
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Message 719 of 1429 (896800)
08-22-2022 10:08 PM
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Reply to: Message 718 by Dredge
08-22-2022 9:55 PM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Sludge writes: Scientists would have thought of experimenting with insulin from non-human animals with or without the theory of universal common descent. Funny how none of them tried it before the theory of common descent.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4413 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.3
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Message 726 of 1429 (896837)
08-23-2022 11:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 723 by Dredge
08-23-2022 10:40 PM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Sludge writes: Please provide an example of how the theory of universal common descent has proven useful in medicine. Easy, all the mammals that are used to model human medical conditions, rather than fish or mollusks, because they are quite obviously more closely related to humans. No one tried using insulin or thyroids from other mammals to treat human diseases before they knew we are related.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4413 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.3
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Message 730 of 1429 (896841)
08-24-2022 12:53 AM
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Reply to: Message 728 by Dredge
08-24-2022 12:20 AM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
You asked for an example and I gave you several.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4413 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.3
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Message 732 of 1429 (896843)
08-24-2022 2:46 AM
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Reply to: Message 731 by Dredge
08-24-2022 2:04 AM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
You are delusional, so I can understand your confusion. ABE: fixed the spelling of delusional, that will teach me to type without my contacts in. Edited by Tanypteryx, .
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4413 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.3
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Message 734 of 1429 (896846)
08-24-2022 11:39 AM
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Reply to: Message 731 by Dredge
08-24-2022 2:04 AM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Sludge writes: Your arguments are so weak that the village idiot shot them all down in flames. You mistakenly think that your endlessly repeated inane questions are some sort of super-powerful rebuttal, meanwhile we have museums and libraries full of supporting evidence and you have a fictional book written by a bunch of bronze age Jewish goat herders.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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