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Topic: Coffee House Musings on Creationist Topic Proposals
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 100 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 685 of 1429 (896677)
08-16-2022 6:52 PM
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Reply to: Message 681 by ringo
08-16-2022 11:48 AM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
ringo writes: To "know" means to be pretty sure.
What a pity you can't cite a dictionary that supports your hill-billy version of the English language. If someone claims to "know" something, it means something like "I know it to be fact". Edited by Dredge, . Edited by Dredge, . Edited by Dredge, .
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 100 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 686 of 1429 (896686)
08-16-2022 8:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 627 by ringo
08-08-2022 11:59 AM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
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Dredge writes: I invite you to prove me wrong by providing an example of how the theory that all life on earth shares a common ancestor has contribted to the treatment of disease.
ringo writes: Insulin from cows and pigs. Why would their insulin work in us if we were not all related?
Non sequitur. The insulin will work in humans regardless of whether anyone thinks we're "related" to cows and pigs or not. The theory of universal common descent is therefore irrelevant to insulin's efficacy. Will the insulin stop working if it's administered or used by a YEC?
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 100 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 687 of 1429 (896687)
08-16-2022 8:09 PM
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Reply to: Message 626 by ringo
08-08-2022 11:53 AM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
ringo writes: Similarly, a YEC could develop vaccines only by using actual science instead of YEC nonsense.
What "YEC nonsense" would prevent a YEC from developing vaccines?
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 100 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 688 of 1429 (896688)
08-16-2022 8:09 PM
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Reply to: Message 626 by ringo
08-08-2022 11:53 AM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
ringo writes: Similarly, a YEC could develop vaccines only by using actual science instead of YEC nonsense.
What "YEC nonsense" would prevent a YEC from developing vaccines?
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 100 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 691 of 1429 (896694)
08-16-2022 10:37 PM
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Reply to: Message 689 by AZPaul3
08-16-2022 8:25 PM
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Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
AZPaul3 writes: You mean like when the whole world knows evolution. Yeah, that's a fact.
Whatever "knows evolution" means.
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 100 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 692 of 1429 (896695)
08-16-2022 10:46 PM
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Reply to: Message 628 by Percy
08-08-2022 4:34 PM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Percy writes: It means that it's not impossible that you could have inadvertently cut-n-pasted a superscript into the textbox, but there's no doubt that you did cut-n-paste it in. There's no other way it could have gotten there.
I didn't cut'n'paste that number in. I used my own words; I didn't copy them from anywhere. That little number "6" popped up again about a week later, but I can't figure out where it came from.
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 100 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 694 of 1429 (896697)
08-16-2022 10:52 PM
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Reply to: Message 625 by ringo
08-08-2022 11:45 AM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
ringo writes: For future reference, failing to provide a citation for a quote is a lesser offense than lying about it. The cover-up is often worse than the original crime.
There was no citation. There was no cover-up.
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 100 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 695 of 1429 (896698)
08-16-2022 10:57 PM
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Reply to: Message 629 by dwise1
08-08-2022 6:12 PM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Nothing in your post demonstrates that vaccines could not be developed without the theory of universal common descent.
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 100 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Tanypteryx writes: medicine DOES know about universal common ancestry and the more you know the more likely you will be able to find models for human health issues.
Why?
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 100 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 697 of 1429 (896701)
08-17-2022 12:27 AM
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Reply to: Message 615 by AZPaul3
08-07-2022 6:56 PM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes: it's an inescapable fact you can't prove that know what process produced the changes evident in the fossil record.
AZPaul3 writes:
We have copious evidence that evolution is consistent in its operations as far back in time as we can physically see. We have identified, categorized, and lab/field tested and documented those operations we can see happen. We have no reasons to doubt the mechanisms we have identified extend well into those few remaining unknowable parts of our past.
Did some hill-billy teach you that "proof" means the same as "a theory supported by evidence"? As far as I know, there is no such teaching in science. Perhaps in your mind, your strongly-held atheist belief in ToE has somehow morphed into "proof". If so, that would amount to a delusion.
But your version of “prove” assumes that in those dark hidden parts some unknowable different mechanisms were in operation.
I don't recall claiming that such an assumption equates to proof ... or even that such an assumption is provable.
You insist, without evidence, without reasoning, that our documented mechanisms, as in the ToE, are wrong. That is your burden to prove.
1. No, not "without evidence, without reasoning". 2. When did I claim that your "documented mechanism, as in ToE, are wrong"?
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 100 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 715 of 1429 (896795)
08-22-2022 8:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 705 by ringo
08-17-2022 12:47 PM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 100 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 716 of 1429 (896796)
08-22-2022 8:57 PM
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Reply to: Message 698 by Percy
08-17-2022 8:51 AM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Percy writes: What browser and machine type are you using (Windows? Mac? iPhone? Android?). I'll investigate the possible ways a superscript 6 could get inserted in a textbox (other than cut-n-pasting).
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 100 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 717 of 1429 (896797)
08-22-2022 9:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 626 by ringo
08-08-2022 11:53 AM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
ringo writes: a YEC could develop vaccines only by using actual science instead of YEC nonsense
A YEC would use science to develop vaccines like any other scientist would.
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 100 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 718 of 1429 (896798)
08-22-2022 9:55 PM
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Reply to: Message 706 by ringo
08-17-2022 12:52 PM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes: The insulin will work in humans regardless of whether anyone thinks we're "related" to cows and pigs or not.
ringo writes: But if we were not related, why would it? If we were not related, why would we even THINK it would work? Why didn't YECs think of it?
Scientists would have thought of experimenting with insulin from non-human animals with or without the theory of universal common descent.
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 100 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 722 of 1429 (896833)
08-23-2022 10:33 PM
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Reply to: Message 720 by ringo
08-23-2022 11:51 AM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
ringo writes: why didn't YECs think of it? Why doesn't YEC "science" produce ANYTHING useful?"
You've strawmaning. Your questions have nothing to do with whether or not the theory of u.common descent has proven useful in medicine.
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